mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 17, 2017 4:05:09 GMT
Just having some fun with a defense stacking list with Calandra. This list would be infuriating to play against. Lol
War Room Army
Trollblood - Def Stack
Theme: Band of Heroes 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood - WB: +27 - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 15 - Swamp Troll - PC: 8
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 5 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
Weaknesses: No whelps... I actually thought I had some in there. Ouch. Also, it could really use a bouncer. I could pull a Mauler and add in both with a few points to play with. I need to take it back to the drawing board. Fun concept though!
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Post by Ravenfire-guest on Apr 17, 2017 6:59:16 GMT
Skaldi gives relentless charge to the champs and they have a respectable mat. Maybe you can swap the felcaller for whelps.
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Post by Trollock on Apr 17, 2017 7:04:09 GMT
Calandra is actually not as good as Borka 1 or Madrak 1 (lol) at making champions unkillable. Star crossed is slightly worse than +2 DEF, and those guys could bring WE/SJ to get both benefits. You seem to be focusing a lot on the BG though, so why not go PoD for calandra with a DEF skew BG (with whelps), and build another, possibly even non-tier list with Borka 1 if you want to try out the really obnoxious champions?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Apr 17, 2017 8:19:53 GMT
This is an experimental list: conflictchamber.com/#b71b5a5-5-03bL6G2Q2QfJfJ4iezez2N6kbKTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points This is the version I'm looking at now, to test different possible inclusions. I called it an open audition. (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [15] - Pyre Troll [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [4] Fell Caller Hero [5] Feralgeist [2] Feralgeist [2] Northkin Shaman [4] Northkin Shaman [4] Saxon Orrik [4] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Trollkin Champions (max) [17] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] conflictchamber.com/#b71b5a0r9D0ibL6GfJfJ0k0mez2N6kbKTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points This is the version I tried first, but I went 0-2 with it and went back to the drawing board. (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Troll Impaler [11] - Trollkin Runebearer [4] Fell Caller Hero [5] Northkin Shaman [4] Northkin Shaman [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Trollkin Champions (max) [17] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] I lost both games that I played with that but the first of those was Incursion vs Kreoss 3 with all the cavalry. I won the roll but stupidly insisted on going first when one side of the table was TERRIBLE for either of us. The terrain literally cost me a game that I really could have won otherwise. The interesting things though were A) that the Errants with that Hand of Fate type schtick and Kreoss himself were the only things that could hit me and I could vex them somewhat with the clouds and B) on that table, an Earthborn literally would have been better than a Mauler, especially with the water and Star Crossed. In fact an Earthborn would have held Kreoss at bay and probably would have slaughtered the Errants if I'd been able to keep them from charging him with the clouds. The second was Take and Hold against Ragnor with a Mountain King and the only smart thing I did the whole game was Befuddling his EBDT out of his feat to trounce it with the Champs. I wasted WAY too much time in the tank against his feat and clocked myself out. I should have just fed something in to contest the flags and sucked up the timewalk. So this new version is even weirder but hopefully will give me some idea of what to keep in and whether I can maybe get away with not running the stone after all. I'll try to get in a few games this week.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 17, 2017 13:00:23 GMT
Calandra is actually not as good as Borka 1 or Madrak 1 (lol) at making champions unkillable. Star crossed is slightly worse than +2 DEF, and those guys could bring WE/SJ to get both benefits. You seem to be focusing a lot on the BG though, so why not go PoD for calandra with a DEF skew BG (with whelps), and build another, possibly even non-tier list with Borka 1 if you want to try out the really obnoxious champions? So I could put out star crossed with Wrong Eye AND +2 DEF from Borka 1 on already 14 DEF Champions with the B2B bonus. Nice. I looked up what WE/SJ meant, but I have no idea what BG stands for. Lol
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Post by Trollock on Apr 17, 2017 13:01:51 GMT
Sorry... BG = Battle Group Its hard to remember that not every one knows the lingo lol.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 17, 2017 13:18:54 GMT
That seems obvious now with the PoD reference. Lol. Thanks!
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 20, 2017 14:26:55 GMT
Here's the new list. This is absolutely table worthy and will be infuriating to play against. Everything within reach will be def 14 + star crossed and if a lake is around an Earthborn can be def 16 (bullet dodger + lake). This means a heavy trade will likely take two of theirs and a light will take at least a heavy.
I'm excited to play this one!
War Room Army Theme: The Power of Dhunia 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 15 - Troll Axer - PC: 10 - Swamp Troll - PC: 8
Janissa Stonetide - PC: 0 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0 Northkin Shaman - PC: 4 Northkin Shaman - PC: 4
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
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Post by Trollock on Apr 20, 2017 18:41:07 GMT
Looks super playable imo. Oh, and do not forget the whelps. +1 DEF makes a HUGE difference against living models. Def 12 Star crossed if OK. DEF 13 is WAY better. effective DEF 19 plus star crossed on the EBDT in a lake near the Swamp Troll and a whelp is a pipe dream, but still
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 20, 2017 19:50:24 GMT
Looks super playable imo. Oh, and do not forget the whelps. +1 DEF makes a HUGE difference against living models. Def 12 Star crossed if OK. DEF 13 is WAY better. effective DEF 19 plus star crossed on the EBDT in a lake near the Swamp Troll and a whelp is a pipe dream, but still Hadn't even considered adding the swamp to the earthborns def. Geesh. Makes me consider a swamp troll in the Borka 2 and Doomie 1 lists to charge in after the enemy comes in.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Apr 20, 2017 23:55:36 GMT
I have decided to put this idea on the back burner until we see what the Northkin theme allows. If I can have Shamans, Fire Eaters and Champs all at the same time and get free points and another nice bonus that will be the first list I build.
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Post by Trollock on Apr 21, 2017 5:44:38 GMT
Looks super playable imo. Oh, and do not forget the whelps. +1 DEF makes a HUGE difference against living models. Def 12 Star crossed if OK. DEF 13 is WAY better. effective DEF 19 plus star crossed on the EBDT in a lake near the Swamp Troll and a whelp is a pipe dream, but still Hadn't even considered adding the swamp to the earthborns def. Geesh. Makes me consider a swamp troll in the Borka 2 and Doomie 1 lists to charge in after the enemy comes in. That actually sounds amazing with Borka 2 against Hordes and hard hitting infantry. Borka does not like hard hitting infantry, cause they do not care much about the feat. Having your beast go to effective DEF 15 all of a sudden could mess things up for sure! Might have to try and put him on the table just for that... Oh and Winter trolls! it will be like a semi feat turn even if you do not feat... That or they have to kill your Winter troll instead of your actual beast... you have awoken my curiosity sir!
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