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Post by vasquez21 on Nov 16, 2018 14:14:42 GMT
Hello guys,
I am trying to build list with GK & Gunny in mind. Yesterday I test following list:
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b020r9DfmiYiYfJfJfF6Rfp0ki-Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Glacier King [35] - Ice Troll [9] - Ice Troll [9] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3]
I was playing vs new Circle caster based on Tharns... I fell I couldn't compete with that.
Just after the game finished I thought that Bog Trog Mist Speaker (for Eyeless Sight) would be great addition.
I guess I can drop Bomber from list, but I am not sure how I should complete that list...
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b029DfmiYiYfIfJfJ6Rfp0ki-Trollbloods Army - 63 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Glacier King [35] - Ice Troll [9] - Ice Troll [9] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] |
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Post by grabsnikk on Nov 16, 2018 14:39:54 GMT
Are you 100% set on running POD?
From what I can see you have a low model-count list with a low volume of attacks.
Considering the current steamroller packet and the new Tharn theme force, you may find you will struggle on both attrition and scenario.
I would suggest trying out a list in either SoTN or BoH so that you can get some solid infantry units into the list to help with both scoring and attrition.
You could try something along these lines:
Theme: Storm of the North
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Captain Gunnbjorn - WB: +28
- Glacier King - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28)
Bog Trog Mist Speaker - PC: 4
Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North - PC: 0
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
- Northkin Elder - PC: 3
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0
Northkin Raiders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Nov 16, 2018 17:32:25 GMT
And they say list creation is still fun and interesting in mk3, hahaha...  Every SoTN list looks exactly the same... If you insist on PoD I would skip the Mauler and potentially also the Ice trolls. Then you can afford a unit of some sort, merc/minion or runeshapers if you like them. Mist speaker is a good idea if you want the GK, alternatively you can go for the Mountain king instead. He should be better against Tharn with the spray + build in Rage if you feel you need that animus. PoD needs CID desperately though, if SR continues to be as it is. But you can play Gunnbjorn with a gargantuan in other themes as grabsnikk points out. |
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Post by Trollock on Nov 16, 2018 17:49:15 GMT
The current SR prevents this type of list fron working. You will not be able to win on attrition before you lose on scenario. A competent opponent will prevent the assassination and win on scenario after a while.
Either id try SotN, or at least switch the ice trolls to bouncers or something.
EBDTs are also a possibility, but i think the SR rules means you will never have a good time.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 16, 2018 18:42:58 GMT
I think this gets in most of what you want but with much better scenario presence and you can play an Ice Troll instead of the Bouncer. Snipe can go on either the GK or Raiders, depending on the situation. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0G02fm0jjqfIfJfJj20li-iZiZj5Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Glacier King [35] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Northkin Shaman [4] Northkin Shaman [4] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Raiders (max) [15] |
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Post by bundeez on Nov 16, 2018 20:00:37 GMT
Is snipe really necessary on the Glacier king?
I have played the GK without (Madrak1) for some time now, and he can shoot safely from turn 2 in pretty much every game.
I'd rather snipe Raiders as you suggest, or Dozer for some backline sniping or even a Storm troll for the added pinpointing kill.
Yes he can then aim with 16'' range, but then he is not going in to any zone to contest scenario.. or threat midgame with melee.
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Post by grabsnikk on Nov 16, 2018 20:33:27 GMT
Is snipe really necessary on the Glacier king? I have played the GK without (Madrak1) for some time now, and he can shoot safely from turn 2 in pretty much every game. I'd rather snipe Raiders as you suggest, or Dozer for some backline sniping or even a Storm troll for the added pinpointing kill. Yes he can then aim with 16'' range, but then he is not going in to any zone to contest scenario.. or threat midgame with melee. Strictly speaking Snipe is not necessary on the GK however it forces the opponent to always protect his caster as a walk and shoot threat range of potentially 22" is very dangerous under Guided Fire. |
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Post by Trollock on Nov 17, 2018 19:51:08 GMT
Is snipe really necessary on the Glacier king? I have played the GK without (Madrak1) for some time now, and he can shoot safely from turn 2 in pretty much every game. I'd rather snipe Raiders as you suggest, or Dozer for some backline sniping or even a Storm troll for the added pinpointing kill. Yes he can then aim with 16'' range, but then he is not going in to any zone to contest scenario.. or threat midgame with melee. Strictly speaking Snipe is not necessary on the GK however it forces the opponent to always protect his caster as a walk and shoot threat range of potentially 22" is very dangerous under Guided Fire. Agreed, BUT that threat us still there if you snipe the raiders, as they have to account for you switching it to the GK |
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 18, 2018 13:59:38 GMT
What about running him with a bunch of winter trolls? Crit stationary spam becomes reliable when you have so many Boosted shots. Also get cute Threat angles with kill shot and the spray.
Could run that in Storm too if you want to leverage raiders and lookouts to keep Scenario relevant.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 20, 2018 19:39:10 GMT
If you're going to take Gunny then I think you need to maximize the number of ranged attacks that the warbeasts can generate to fully take advantage of Guided Fire.
Here's my Gunny PoD list, followed by my favorite Gunny list:
War Room Army
Trollblood - Gunnbjorn Power of Dhunia
Theme: The Power of Dhunia
3 / 3 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army
Captain Gunnbjorn - WB: +28
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16)
- Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12)
- Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15
- Dozer & Smigg - PC: 18
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 0
Dhunian Knot - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9
- Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
War Room Army
Trollblood - Gunnbjorn w/ Boomhowler
Theme: Kriel Company
1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Captain Gunnbjorn - WB: +28
- Dozer & Smigg - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18)
- Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
- Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16
- Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Trollkin Sluggers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 10
Thumper Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 5
Thumper Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 0
Greygore Boomhowler & Co. - Boomhowler & 5 Grunts: 11
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Post by joedj on Nov 20, 2018 20:53:44 GMT
What about running him with a bunch of winter trolls? Crit stationary spam becomes reliable when you have so many Boosted shots. Also get cute Threat angles with kill shot and the spray. Could run that in Storm too if you want to leverage raiders and lookouts to keep Scenario relevant. Combo of Ice and Winter Trolls, and a Mauler for the inevitable melee scrum (and the Ice's thrown weapon +3 damage) |
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 20, 2018 22:58:00 GMT
What about running him with a bunch of winter trolls? Crit stationary spam becomes reliable when you have so many Boosted shots. Also get cute Threat angles with kill shot and the spray. Could run that in Storm too if you want to leverage raiders and lookouts to keep Scenario relevant. Combo of Ice and Winter Trolls, and a Mauler for the inevitable melee scrum (and the Ice's thrown weapon +3 damage) Pow 18 With Chilly Stone Elder. Technically has a 18” Threat if you can get kill shot Off |
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Post by vasquez21 on Nov 30, 2018 10:43:44 GMT
Hello guys, Thank you for your input... Answering some questions and sugestions: No... but I think that Gunny is great when you have many ranged beast, because of Guided Fire. I know you can also play him in different build not so oriented on ranged attacks, but for now I wanted some shooting
The main reason I wanted GK is because I just got him painted  So I don't want to change it for MK right now. Because of that I also don't want to swap Mauler, because his animus is very helpful when you want to take down some tougher models.
Thank you guys for list and sugestions, but I think it drifted to much from what I wanted.
Anyway, yesterday I was playing with list like this:
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b029DfmiYiY7h04fIfJfJ6R4g0ki-Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Glacier King [35] - Ice Troll [9] - Ice Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Winter Troll [8] Bog Trog Mist Speaker [4] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Farrow Razorback Crew [5] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3]
It was vs friend playing Minions (The Thornfall Alliance) leaded by Lord Carver. It is list with just 2 heavy beasts, and 4 splatter boar's which main objective is to place some clouds to hide rest of army.
Bog Trog was great addition in this situation.
Storm Troll & Winter Troll were also great. I was left with 5 points, (or 6 if I swap Storm with another Winter) and I decided for Farrow Razorback Crew they don't shoot well, but there is big chance that one of my attack will make some models stationary. At the end FR Crew wasn't bad at all. I think it could be great, if you could first shoot with GK at something and if you get stationary they hit it powerfully with Crew.
At the end that list was working nice, I didn't have chance to test it vs Circle again, because I think it wouldn't be so powerful there, but still it was nice, and fun to play.
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