mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 14, 2017 20:45:09 GMT
Hey Fellow Trollbloods, I am headed to my first small tournament on April 22nd. I know I am far from ready, but I know I am going to have a great time. To prepare, I am creating a post (two per day) to discuss the top 3 casters and lists that each faction may have. To do this, I am going to view the tournament casters and lists from www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/ and post an overview. If you disagree with the 3 casters/locks I choose please feel free to post about another to look out for. My hope is that at the tournament I can learn what faction I will be playing against and pull up the advice against each faction/key unit/key model. For example: I have personally played against the protectorate MANY times. The first several times I played them the Idrian Skirmishers (and UA) KILLED me. They repeatedly took out entire units, heavies, etc. It was brutal. The past three times however, I have managed to keep them at bay. The last game I had against them they were barely effective. To anyone playing them I would suggest you run away their prey target, run to jam in melee, kill the UA and stay within the stone. This tip might be totally obvious to an experienced player, but it was not to me! Those are the types of things I'll be looking for. My Drop ListsDoomy 2 - The Mark List Mulg Mauler Mauler Mauler (will switch to an Earthborn once I buy the model) Earthborn Axer Krielstone max + UA Janissa Whelps Whelps Grissel 2 Bomber Bomber Mauler Mauler Axer Bouncer Krielstone min + UA Dhunian Knot Janissa Whelps Whelps What would be your strategy (list drop and key units/models strategies) against the following casters and lists.
The High ReclaimerScourge of Heresy Reckoner Choir of Menoth (min) Knights Exemplar Knight Exemplar Officer Idrian Skirmishers (max) Idrian Skirmishers UA Exemplar Vengers (min) Flameguard Cleansers (min) Flameguard Cleanser UA Vassal Mechanik Vassal Mechanik The Wrack The Wrack Anson DurstHierophant Dervish Dervish Devout Crusader Fire of Salvation Choir of Menoth (max) Flame Bringers (max) Exemplar Vengers (max) The Wrack Vassal of Menoth Vassal Mechanik Anastasia di Bray |
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Post by robbleyourworld on Apr 14, 2017 23:04:03 GMT
Disclaimer: I'm not particularly good at picking which list to go with
That being said what I expect them to drop will depend on what you've brought and the things they need to be able to deal with.
Right now my two lists are Madrak2 and Calandra in BOH, so either way high reclaimer isn't going to enjoy his feat. I think my madrak2 list has better game into Durst but its not overly fond of lots of sprays or idrians. My calandra list has better game into the high reclaimer list but mat 7 cav get around starcrossed pretty well and it doesn't crack armor quite as well.
Both his lists look like they can deal with the amount of dudes I'm bringing but HR's Feat will be non-existant so I hope he drops Durst and put in Madrak2 (realistically I probably just go with whatever I feel like playing)
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Post by Ravenfire-Guest on Apr 15, 2017 13:44:18 GMT
My 2c and I am also not the best person to analyze opponents.
My 3 list are grissel2 pod with 2 units of shapers bomber and king. and jarl with double bomber also pod.
Seeing the lists I would probably drop the jarl list. Jarl can take care of support pieces and the 4 heavies and 2 lights hopefully take care of the rest. Y jarl list will also out threat his lists (got an axer in it)
I do not think he will drop the infantry list, since grissel2 will take that one apart fast. And most of my list will be def 16 or higher against shooting.
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Post by trollsareblue on Apr 15, 2017 14:40:26 GMT
You might be better served by offering examples of lists you are considering taking, then asking which might work better.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 15, 2017 14:44:51 GMT
Yeah I split the posts up. Was not the best plan. Lol
I'll edit the original post.
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Post by robbleyourworld on Apr 15, 2017 15:38:38 GMT
Against both of those lists I think High Reclaimer is going to have trouble with snacking and high arm. I'd expect them to drop durst which I think both of your lists have game into.
I probably go with Grissel2 because with wailing on the bouncer and knockdowns on her gun you can probably minimize the cav while doing work against the heavies from range. Also should they decide to drop reclaimer I think she has better game.
Doomy2 probably could go into either list fine as well since your beasts can out threat his stuff with feat and rush. Also you have plenty of heavies left over to deal with his jacks after retaliation.
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Post by randommovement on Apr 15, 2017 16:55:33 GMT
Until he gets a 2nd or 3rd EBDT id agree griss2 is the list to use. Your feat should help minimize his alpha and unless the table is terribly skewed for one side id try to go first.
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Post by Trollock on Apr 15, 2017 19:13:49 GMT
Grissel 2 is not great against Protectorate Jacks, and she does not like a cloud wall. It will have to be Doomy for sure. Be very careful about assassination though.
Durst has high DEF jacks, so Wild aggression is awesome. You have very high threat ranges, so you can hopefully force him to feat "too early", and then you can back off and wait out the feat. Desvishes at DEF 15 ARM 21 are hard to kill, but if he jams them down your throat, you will have to try anyway. Otherwise you can try and jam them with EBDTs and Axers during his feat and then go murder mode the turn after. Mulg with wild aggression and Rage will kill more than one Dervish if the feat is not up, and a Mauler can most likely down a heavy at DEF 12 ARM 19. Just be careful so you do not feed him too much on his feat turn. It all comes down to model placement. If you are so defensive that he can feat and run at you so you have to go in on his feat turn, i think you are in trouble.
Against high reclaimer, remember that snacking can remove models from play, but also remember that this stops overtake. Some times it is worth killing more models rather than RFP just a few. Perhaps you can lawn mower over the idrians, and RFP the cavalry or the guide if you can reach them. Be very careful about assassination. Doomshaper is fragile. Having a hill for DEF 15+ is sweet, and if you can get cover at the same time, you are probably all right. Hiding behind a forest is great too.
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Post by randommovement on Apr 16, 2017 1:37:01 GMT
Troll called, the wait for 2nd ebdt was more important to me.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Apr 16, 2017 17:16:24 GMT
I feel like Amon is more likely than Durst, though is this for local meta?
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Apr 16, 2017 18:06:19 GMT
These aren't exact lists I'm going up against. I'm just looking at some recently successful lists from tournaments as examples to help me get the feel for picking lists.
I've never put my army across from a majority of models in the game. So I'm studying up on them and trying to get a few helpful tips along the way.
I live an hour away from a decent store so I only get over there about once a month. But I play once or twice a week against another local friend who runs Protectorate and Retribution. It's a 16 man tournament in an hour and a half from me. I've never played against any of the people there so I have no idea what to expect.
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skurkious
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Post by skurkious on Apr 17, 2017 23:04:58 GMT
So I put this in the other thread but it probably belongs here. Does anyone see the sorcerer as a good counter to PoM jacks under choir? I suppose the shooting units he goes with probably can't bring down a PoM jack but at least its an option.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Apr 17, 2017 23:47:21 GMT
I don't really think its worth it. In the current meta Trolls don't really have a problem punching PoM to death, so taxing our meh shooting units to cover a matchup better handled with hand to hand seems like a bad move.
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Post by robbleyourworld on Apr 17, 2017 23:59:41 GMT
If you were running shooting units already it might be useful but probably more for incorporeal than POM
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Post by grabsnikk on Apr 18, 2017 7:58:50 GMT
Doomy2 is probably the best option for dealing with those lists. Doomy2 out threats both of the lists and hits really hard as well.
Cloud walls are not really a problem for Doomy as his beasts can either trample up or walk into melee from up to 10" away or 12" if there is rough terrain for the Earthborns.
Enliven from Vassals might be a potential problem but headbuts can take care of that as long as there is no Book.
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