Decent success with this B3 list - still fine tuning

You've made some choices here that I personally would not have made:

1. Double Devastators bothers me because that's 28 points in your list that your opponent can reliably assume aren't going to be making any reasonable attacks. Personally I find once you slot in a unit of Eliminators, you're pretty much set to contest on a crucial turn.

2. Bokur feels like a waste of a merc solo slot, as you could easily find the points for a Rager and bring in something really useful like Orin or Eilish to keep things like Crippling Grasp/Enfeeble off of Butcher (yes you can whack a dog with Ruin but do you really want to use his activation like that and lose a dog).

3. A warjack heavy list without Forge Seers seems really strange to me. To me, one of the greatest benefits of Jaws is that you would actually want to put a warjack on the Forge Seer to skip taking Aiyana and Holt for some magical weapons. The two focus they bring are also fairly useful as Butcher3 generally can't afford or even want to hand out his stack if he can help it. The Forge Seers can do some work as well in a pinch!

If the Devastators are replaced then there is a new demand for more focus. The Forge Seers are a perfectly flexible unit for 4 points. Empower can also cure Disruption off of a warjack, which could mean the difference between a 50/50 game and a lopsided loss. Butcher3's strength is his personal threat. If your opponent can grasp that the focus is going to either his battlegroup OR Butcher3, then he can play accordingly. Having an extra 2 focus to hand out means that both your battlegroup and Butcher3 can be a simultaneous threat each and every turn. Personal choice I suppose. For 4 points each I have no idea why you would skip them.

Also yes I've marshalled Behemoth and a Destroyer to a Forge Seer. I think the Behemoth/Forge Seer combo is a bit of a meme, and it's not worth the points most of the time. I have no complaints about the Destroyer though, boosting blast damage on Gremlin Swarms or Feralgeists have saved me one more than one occasion.

I hate Aiyana and Holt and avoid them whenever I can. I think they are a bloated piece that Khador players crutch on far too often. There are lists I still feel that I have to include them in, but I'm never happy about it. If it were not for Gremlin Swarms I would never take A+H unless I wanted Harm first Magical Weapons second.

So some elaboration

1)  Crucible guard FULLY capable of largely shooting off an ARM 20 jack for a turn before it ever closes.  Not so much A devestator.  Ditto as they spray for days the eliminators.  They also are critical for the road blocks you need for the Vulcan - who can otherwise simply Bulldoze for 16 to get to the butcher and then jackhammer into the ground.    Yes. They are paper weights.  But they are paper weights which can't be FULLY ignored as with SoD go up to POW 18.  They also tend to encourgage clumping - butcher's prefered state to see the board.

2)  Bokur - At least I need an answer to Hurrican slams/Puncture drags. He can also serve as an important "don't shoot" deterrent if you position one of your Argus near him so that AOEs spash on the argus and potentially trigger vengeance.  (see again CG with the Vulcan chem trail arm debuff). At the very least smart players that feel they NEED the shot must anticipate the extra vengance threat extension even if they don't fear the AOE spike damage on the argus.

3) I went back and forth on the Forge Seers and whether to include them as a focus battery.  Given that butcher and Ruin already have magic weapons - and that objectives can provide it to Marksman and Spriggan can destealth things it felt like I could get away with it.  I also think that the way this is designed to piece trade I was never going to be in a situation where I needed BOTH the Jugger and Ruin _AND_ Butcher to do work on the same turn.  So if it is the Jack's turn to trade, Butcher can use distance to survive.  If Butcher than the one power up aint great but the Jugger and Ruin's job is to body block for a non-feated butcher.

I think you're crippling your list building by being scared of some hyper specific scenarios.



If you're playing against powerful gunlines, we have a lot of casters with some very real anti-gun tech, don't drop Butcher3 against them. There is nothing forcing your opponent to waste their attacks on your devastators and they will likely throw something expendable to get in their way. One Bokur doesn't solve Hurricane slams or Prime Axiom drags anyway? They can fire those twice.

I've said my piece already about Forge Seers. I think they're worth it once you start investing in warjacks. 

No.  Locke with 5 heavies and a vulcan.

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You are not reading (or haven't thought about Crucible Guard).  Locke is able to fight BOTH WAYS.  She can shoot for days at Range....._OR_ bulldoze in fully from 16 inches and then Jackhammer your caster (or things) 8 times....OR trigger Road to War off your squishy things (which this list has compromised and has too many of but that feels like a necessary evil) to deliver precision striking Toros/Vidicators.  Then she feats and unless you have (butcher) something capable of removing the Vulcan in one round you are looking at an ARM 22 god sitting deep in your zone.  GG.

Rather than degrade into diatribe what is your B3 list?