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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 18, 2018 16:00:34 GMT
With no really weak caster, the new theme that actually works and the theme that kind of just isn't the worst. I think we're pretty well off. Do you guys usually pair by anti-this and that or do you start with really strong list A and B is there to cover the bad match up. I still really want to learn Vayl 2 and I want to be cheeky and run her in PT. Thagrosh 2 is still a favorite of mine. Anamag is too over the top for my tastes. I'm an under-dog main and she's just too good. Lylyth 1 still intrigues me and I would surely love to use her against mess like Madrak 1 champions. So just wanting to start a brain storming thread.
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Post by bloodhawk on May 18, 2018 16:45:03 GMT
I am pretty stoked for this ADR! Personally, when I build a Legion list I always start with a list that can play into guns. I think in this case you could play Anamag or Thag2 as brute force lists into guns. Vayl2 can do so as well, albeit a bit differently (more fighting fire with fire). I could see a double throne Vayl2 list being a really solid pair with either Anamag PT or Thag2 in either theme. Really, we are spoiled for choice with this ADR. I like Lyl1 as well, she has always been quite intriguing to me. I think she probably loses out to the other 3 in a competitive event, but maybe with cheaper ravagores there is a nice competitive niche she can fill. I have been playing Cryx primarly of late, but this ADR REALLY makes me want to break out all my new PT models once I get them in the mail
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Post by davycannonhound on May 18, 2018 16:45:27 GMT
So, forgive my noob question, but what does “ADR” mean?
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Post by bloodhawk on May 18, 2018 16:58:36 GMT
So, forgive my noob question, but what does “ADR” mean? I remember when I went to my first tournament someone asked me if I was using ADR. I had NO idea what he was talking about, lol. So we all have to start somewhere.
ADR stands for Active Duty Roster. Essentially, if you put together lists from the themes and casters on the list then you get a sideboard of extra models you can build your list from. I forget the exact amount of points (25 or 30). You build your list with those extra points included, and then after you select your caster and know your opponents caster, you can adjust your list by inserting or excluding those extra 25 / 30 points. So your list still ends up being 75 points, but you can choose from extra models which is tactically advantageous.
Oftentimes ADR will be very restrictive, not providing optimal casters or themes, but in this case we really have a solid bench to work from.
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Post by davycannonhound on May 18, 2018 17:05:23 GMT
So, forgive my noob question, but what does “ADR” mean? I remember when I went to my first tournament someone asked me if I was using ADR. I had NO idea what he was talking about, lol. So we all have to start somewhere.
ADR stands for Active Duty Roster. Essentially, if you put together lists from the themes and casters on the list then you get a sideboard of extra models you can build your list from. I forget the exact amount of points (25 or 30). You build your list with those extra points included, and then after you select your caster and know your opponents caster, you can adjust your list by inserting or excluding those extra 25 / 30 points. So your list still ends up being 75 points, but you can choose from extra models which is tactically advantageous.
Oftentimes ADR will be very restrictive, not providing optimal casters or themes, but in this case we really have a solid bench to work from.
Is there a setting available in the app or something? I get the general gist of it, but I’m trying to figure out the exact mechanics.
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Post by eauc on May 18, 2018 17:38:14 GMT
So, forgive my noob question, but what does “ADR” mean? I remember when I went to my first tournament someone asked me if I was using ADR. I had NO idea what he was talking about, lol. So we all have to start somewhere.
ADR stands for Active Duty Roster. Essentially, if you put together lists from the themes and casters on the list then you get a sideboard of extra models you can build your list from. I forget the exact amount of points (25 or 30). You build your list with those extra points included, and then after you select your caster and know your opponents caster, you can adjust your list by inserting or excluding those extra 25 / 30 points. So your list still ends up being 75 points, but you can choose from extra models which is tactically advantageous.
Oftentimes ADR will be very restrictive, not providing optimal casters or themes, but in this case we really have a solid bench to work from.
Except it's not that anymore. AFAIK now it's just the restricted set of warlocks you can pick from in tournaments using the Champion format. Masters and other formats don't use ADR anymore.
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Post by bloodhawk on May 18, 2018 18:05:50 GMT
I remember when I went to my first tournament someone asked me if I was using ADR. I had NO idea what he was talking about, lol. So we all have to start somewhere.
ADR stands for Active Duty Roster. Essentially, if you put together lists from the themes and casters on the list then you get a sideboard of extra models you can build your list from. I forget the exact amount of points (25 or 30). You build your list with those extra points included, and then after you select your caster and know your opponents caster, you can adjust your list by inserting or excluding those extra 25 / 30 points. So your list still ends up being 75 points, but you can choose from extra models which is tactically advantageous.
Oftentimes ADR will be very restrictive, not providing optimal casters or themes, but in this case we really have a solid bench to work from.
Except it's not that anymore. AFAIK now it's just the restricted set of warlocks you can pick from in tournaments using the Champion format. Masters and other formats don't use ADR anymore. Ah, that's right. They did a big overhaul recently, which I had forgotten about. Generally speaking if you download the tournament packet from PP's website for each type of event you can get all the info about it. That's how I learned about this stuff in the past.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 18, 2018 20:45:26 GMT
not having the specialists may be the most disappointing aspect to this... It really makes such a huge difference being able to pick models to cover certain situations. I'm really sad if it pans out and that's the case for all tournament types.
It just creates more games where you just loose before putting models on the table.
I hope they find some new way of lessening the impact of list chicken. Unless severe list chicken is their intent.
So anyways. Lylyth 1 all berserker army! Raaaargh
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 18, 2018 23:25:31 GMT
I don't really know this setting, but I gather it's one with two of these warlocks?
Gotta be eThags and Lylyth. Anamag is too obvious, eVayl is benched for reasons of my own and Thags and Lylyth are just solid. I do wish kryssa was there in her stead though, I think she pairs great with eThags.
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Post by eauc on May 19, 2018 10:47:43 GMT
I just skimmed through the Insider text so I might have misread.
What I understood is that ADR will be restricted to Champions, where you can bring 1 or 2 lists, but are restricted to warlocks in the ADR.
All other formats loose the old ADR ? They say the divide-and-conquer rules is dropped off too ? But maybe the Specialists rule will stay as an option for regular tournaments.
However in my region, tournament generally just follow the basic Masters rules so... no specialits anymore I guess.
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Post by Hashmal on May 19, 2018 22:26:18 GMT
I just picked up a Legion lot for pretty cheap and am interested in building Thags2. What are people doing with him? How does he slot into this ADR? Halp a Legion noob?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 20, 2018 17:12:30 GMT
not sure anyone has a definitive list for him yet. At least not many have talked about it.
I've run with the idea of quantity over quality. 6-8 Shredders makes for a lot of dice rolling. MD turns average rolls into spikier ones. It's fun and entertaining to me. But I've not sat down and hammered out something intended to be competitive.
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Post by Hashmal on May 20, 2018 20:03:15 GMT
How's something like this look? Besides suuuuuuuuper fragile to guns. But I would probably play PT double Chosen into Cygnar.
Theme: Oracles of Annihilation 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Thagrosh, the Messiah - WB: +25 - Neraph - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Neraph - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Neraph - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1) - Raek - PC: 8 - Raek - PC: 8 - Harrier - PC: 3 - Harrier - PC: 3 - Seraph - PC: 14 - Shredder - PC: 4 - Shredder - PC: 4
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion - PC: 0 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Blighted Nyss Shepherd - PC: 1 Spell Martyr - PC: 1 Spell Martyr - PC: 1
Blackfrost Shard - Sevryn, Rhylyss & Vysarr: 9 Ice Witches - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7
THEME: Oracles of Annihilation ---
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Post by slaughtersun on May 20, 2018 21:20:01 GMT
In oracles you can go for
Tags2 Naga Seraph Neraph×2 Typhoon Scythean x2 Support as desired.
Charge at your enemies and enjoy the carnage.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 3:50:42 GMT
hashmal, i would recommend taking a couple real heavies, and only taking blackfrost shard or ice witches, not both. at a minimum i would drop the harriers and a neraph for typhon. you could also use some more fury management, at least one forsaken.
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