demonic
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Post by demonic on Jun 1, 2018 2:50:18 GMT
pretty sure RFP gets around it as well (since it gets around tough) meaning skorne has an entire theme list that revokes it x.x
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Post by correlion on Jun 1, 2018 4:53:43 GMT
pretty sure RFP gets around it as well (since it gets around tough) meaning skorne has an entire theme list that revokes it x.x disabled->boxed->destroyed Only on models like hellmouth and archangel you have rfp on hit. Usually you have "models boxed can be removed from play" Tough check and Martyrdom are both happen on disabled phase.
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demonic
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Post by demonic on Jun 1, 2018 6:12:07 GMT
ah, mkay. I knew some RFP got around them but wasn't sure which. and yeah, DBD is how you remember the disabled boxed destroyed thing I just didn't have my warroom up in front of me to double check
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 1, 2018 12:45:37 GMT
pretty sure RFP gets around it as well (since it gets around tough) meaning skorne has an entire theme list that revokes it x.x Only for Crit consume if I am correct! Swamp trolls are the new anti Harby tech!
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Jun 1, 2018 12:47:08 GMT
I just want Menoth to have nice things again. That is all. We have a couple of really great lists that are sort of outdone by their counterparts in other factions. No one really has a list like Harbinger and I'd like something unique to stay with our faction. Is Amon not pants shitingly good with CM? I suppose he might be out preformed by cryx BI? Crushed by Gaspy3 BI and kraye HM(sometimes, player depending, but the movement is there)
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Jun 1, 2018 12:47:47 GMT
pretty sure RFP gets around it as well (since it gets around tough) meaning skorne has an entire theme list that revokes it x.x Only for Crit consume if I am correct! Swamp trolls are the new anti Harby tech! Also one of the ret colossal. Forgot which has the aoe crit consume.
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Post by cgdeth on Jun 1, 2018 12:53:20 GMT
Is Amon not pants shitingly good with CM? I suppose he might be out preformed by cryx BI? Crushed by Gaspy3 BI and kraye HM(sometimes, player depending, but the movement is there) So it doesn't play into those lists, that's not to bad I suppose. I would probably pair an EI list with amon to counter the BI. But this is off topic for the thread.
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Post by doopsie on Jun 1, 2018 17:18:03 GMT
Only for Crit consume if I am correct! Swamp trolls are the new anti Harby tech! Also one of the ret colossal. Forgot which has the aoe crit consume. Hyperion. The other one (Helios) has a 3-shot tractor beam that does no damage.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 1, 2018 18:20:44 GMT
Also one of the ret colossal. Forgot which has the aoe crit consume. Hyperion. The other one (Helios) has a 3-shot tractor beam that does no damage. Interestingly enough, the Helios is bonkers good. Its got like a 9" pull potential on its main gun.
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Choco
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Post by Choco on Jun 1, 2018 19:16:16 GMT
Hyperion. The other one (Helios) has a 3-shot tractor beam that does no damage. Interestingly enough, the Helios is bonkers good. Its got like a 9" pull potential on its main gun. 12 if you add Issyria.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Jun 1, 2018 19:33:27 GMT
We actually have it pretty good in that Helios' gun is not magical. Otherwise he is wrecking havoc on our heavies with the non linear pulls
His gun is usually a game winner in more than a few lists unless you can stop it
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Post by Azuresun on Jun 1, 2018 22:46:07 GMT
Anyone considering Harbinger strong is being smart, because she is. Anyone who can't find something to do about it is likely looking in the wrong spots. Eh, the problem I have is that the anti-healing tech is not well distributed between factions. When I'm playing Mercenaries, I have one solo with Grievous Wounds (ignoring warcaster melee weapons, because come on).
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jun 1, 2018 23:01:15 GMT
Anyone considering Harbinger strong is being smart, because she is. Anyone who can't find something to do about it is likely looking in the wrong spots. Eh, the problem I have is that the anti-healing tech is not well distributed between factions. When I'm playing Mercenaries, I have one solo with Grievous Wounds (ignoring warcaster melee weapons, because come on). Who in mercs do you typically play? As a Harbinger player, I find Magnus 2, Durgen, Ossrum, and ashlynn to be problematic.
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Post by macdaddy on Jun 2, 2018 0:13:12 GMT
Eh, the problem I have is that the anti-healing tech is not well distributed between factions. When I'm playing Mercenaries, I have one solo with Grievous Wounds (ignoring warcaster melee weapons, because come on). Who in mercs do you typically play? As a Harbinger player, I find Magnus 2, Durgen, Ossrum, and ashlynn to be problematic. Ossrum is problematic for everyone the dude isbonkers. Probably top3 casters in the game. Magnus 2 I’m struggling to see. You should be able to weather his feat and martyrdom I agree with the sentiment that the faction spread for healing denial is not that great. I’ll try to get comprehensive with it when I have more time.
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Post by GYF on Jun 2, 2018 0:50:37 GMT
Mercenaries don't really deal with the Harbinger by directly preventing her from using Martyrdom (nor do Khador, Cygnar, Convergence, etc.) and all often are games that can force the Protectorate player to their second list. The formula is much more a combination of being able to press her with some threat of direct damage - even if only a little - turn in and out with a volume of attacks that overwhelm her ability to keep her army at or above parity on attrition.
Sprays that are accurate and powerful enough to actually put damage on her through focus are particularly powerful for direct threat. The ability to get damage on models without attack rolls can be valuable for the Monks, though really being able to prevent their controlling scoring (for instance via Bulldoze) is more important. Some combination of all that will likely get there and warcasters who can do most or all of those things (like Ossrum or Axis) are very, very hard games for the Harbinger, games she shouldn't be playing if she can help it.
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