leander
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Post by leander on Apr 5, 2018 8:26:34 GMT
This List should be fun XD
Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Winter Guard Kommand
(Butcher 3) Kommander Zoktavir, The Butcher Unleashed [+22] - Juggernaut [13] - Kodiak [13] - Ruin [17] - Spriggan [17] Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff [4] - Juggernaut [13] Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4] Winter Guard Infantry (max) [10] - Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard [0(4)] - Winter Guard Rocketeer (3) [6]
winterguard with DEF 14, tough and no KD along with sacrificial pawn sounds promising for the butcher XD
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 5, 2018 8:35:28 GMT
So 4+4 from feat + 2from boundless+2 from superiority or redline, 16 inch threats.....i'll allow it 4 base, 4 from feat, 2 from Superiority, (4+2) from Overrun, 3 for charging, 2 for BC: total is 21" of movement, for 23" inches of threat on a Reach jack. Of course you only threat 8" (Overrun plus reach) out Strakhov's control area since you need to charge inside hos control for feat but can overrun out. If it's Torch then you can Sprint 6 afterwards, for 27" of movement in a single turn.
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Post by Netherby on Apr 5, 2018 8:41:56 GMT
She's not bad, but adding 2" threat range to one model isn't really that amazing.
Useful for casters that lack a native speed buff. I actually think getting the FREE charge is a bigger deal, since you almost always have to charge with Khador heavies.
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Post by Mr.Human on Apr 5, 2018 8:49:53 GMT
I agree, and Khadors focus starved jack casters should like her.
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Post by welshhoppo on Apr 5, 2018 9:20:53 GMT
She's not bad, but adding 2" threat range to one model isn't really that amazing. Useful for casters that lack a native speed buff. I actually think getting the FREE charge is a bigger deal, since you almost always have to charge with Khador heavies. Butcher3 can now charge threat 14 inches before vengeance and pulls. Where is your God now Cygnar!
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Post by GumbaFish on Apr 5, 2018 11:30:21 GMT
Haha, good stuff welshhoppo. Seriously though, I think that on the one hand I can see how some people might be underwhelmed by another way to get boundless charge. However, on the other hand this is a seriously welcome addition for many of our casters and the change to allow her and Malakov 1 in Jaws is also very interesting. I think even unchanged she will see a lot of use.
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Apr 5, 2018 11:57:55 GMT
Aside from the cool fluff aspect, there is real benefit in getting four more focus on the table!
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Apr 5, 2018 12:03:11 GMT
So far I'm happiest with the change she has made to my Old Witch1 Winter Guard Kommand list. Boundless Charge is more than a speed buff, it's effectively a damage buff as well because it saves you a focus on the jack from charging for free, so they get an extra attack. Very relevant with casters without a damage buff. Oh, Karchev looked very legit too! I initially thought Strakhov1 would be decent, but the battlegroup limitation on Overrun makes it less desirable to me. Other one I've looked at is Irusk2, I think the forge seer is more useful there overall. Oh, Vlad3 with Sorscha0 and Andrei1 looks interesting! 1 colossal, 6 heavies and 23 focus to play with Cheers, Dave
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Post by auraco on Apr 5, 2018 12:53:53 GMT
So far I'm happiest with the change she has made to my Old Witch1 Winter Guard Kommand list. Boundless Charge is more than a speed buff, it's effectively a damage buff as well because it saves you a focus on the jack from charging for free, so they get an extra attack. Very relevant with casters without a damage buff. Oh, Karchev looked very legit too! I initially thought Strakhov1 would be decent, but the battlegroup limitation on Overrun makes it less desirable to me. Other one I've looked at is Irusk2, I think the forge seer is more useful there overall. Oh, Vlad3 with Sorscha0 and Andrei1 looks interesting! 1 colossal, 6 heavies and 23 focus to play with Cheers, Dave I don't think it's such a big deal for strakhov to marshall a jack or to have one on sorscha0. The list I'm running already has 6 jacks, having one of them not on strakhov is ok, he can only fuel so much. Switching the marshalling forge seer for Sorscha seems like a strait up upgrade to the list. I've also adapted my B3 list for her and the cid change and it looks super solid. Boundless charge on jacks, b3 or the fun carriage is very good. Here's the updated list: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0fdIkWeQlOkT8tgc8M8I7S7T7W7-i6Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Winter Guard Kommand !!! Your army contains CID entries. (Butcher 3) Kommander Zoktavir, The Butcher Unleashed [+22] - Juggernaut [13] - Ruin [17] Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff [4] - Marauder [11] Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4] Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan [3] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] - Koldun Kapitan Valachev [4] Winter Guard Infantry (max) [10] - Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard [0(4)] - Winter Guard Rocketeer (3) [6] Winter Guard Mortar Crew [0(5)] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17] I'm also excited about the synergy between having fog of war and Malakov2's sneak battleplan. With the CID change affecting non battlegroup models it can even affect Sorscha's jack. Stacking Escort and boundless charge seems absurdely good. It also fixes the problem with escort not giving out pathfinder. So a list along these lines: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0xgykWkWkTk-hFlO7p8ychch8eKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Jaws of the Wolf !!! Your army contains CID entries. (Malakov 2) Kommander Andrei Malakov [+28] - Juggernaut [13] - Juggernaut [13] - Marauder [11] - Victor [34] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff [0(4)] - Destroyer [14] Yuri the Axe [0(6)] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Widowmaker Scouts [8]
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Post by sand20go on Apr 5, 2018 15:11:25 GMT
You would think we had stolen rare diamonds from the salt over in the CID forums about this. My god. People just are scared to let khador have nice things.
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leander
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Post by leander on Apr 5, 2018 15:16:43 GMT
You would think we had stolen rare diamonds from the salt over in the CID forums about this. My god. People just are scared to let khador have nice things. some of them are acting like triggering vengeance on butcher 3 is a sure thing, as if we're mind controlling them to damage butcher in order to get the godly 20 inch threat range (5+3[vengeance]+2[energizer]+3[charge]+2[boundlesscharge]+5[impending doom]) instead of 18 inches
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Post by sand20go on Apr 5, 2018 15:20:55 GMT
You would think we had stolen rare diamonds from the salt over in the CID forums about this. My god. People just are scared to let khador have nice things. some of them are acting like triggering vengeance on butcher 3 is a sure thing, as if we're mind controlling them to damage butcher in order to get the godly 20 inch threat range (5+3[vengeance]+2[energizer]+3[charge]+2[boundlesscharge]+5[impending doom]) instead of 18 inches LOL....or that somehow letting Vlad1 camp an extra 2 focus rather than blow it on BC is somehow game altering ;-)
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Post by auraco on Apr 5, 2018 15:30:43 GMT
Well there is like one guy on a crusade against Sorscha0, most of the people are concerned about Caine0, and probably rightly so, snipe in all their theme but gravediggers just seems nasty.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 5, 2018 15:45:09 GMT
My biggest concern is Butcher 3, a 17" non-linear threat range on a mat 9 model that can be a p&s 18 weaponmaster, and a feat that grants him his full stack of focus back seems pretty strong.
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Apr 5, 2018 15:47:25 GMT
Sure, but that is only 2 inches more than his current threat!
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