Choco
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Post by Choco on Apr 4, 2018 19:14:09 GMT
And here's the change to a theme to be able to include her in it:
Khador Theme Force: Jaws of the Wolf: This change will allow for Sorscha 0's inclusion.
Add “Solos with Battlegroup Controller” to the Army Composition section.
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Post by tesoe on Apr 4, 2018 19:19:10 GMT
Oh wow. That mean Andrei can be taken in Jaws also. That could open up a lot of possibilities in that theme. Not relying on your warcaster to bring effective jacks.
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Post by auraco on Apr 4, 2018 19:27:57 GMT
I actually think fog of war is better with only 8'' since it probably won't clip enemy models. Boundless charge for casters that don't have it is big though. Giving access to boundless charge so B3, Harkevich, Karchev and Strakhov1 seems absurdly strong. I also think there could be something to do with Zerkova1 in WGK, boundless charges helps her a lot.
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on Apr 4, 2018 19:34:14 GMT
I actually think fog of war is better with only 8'' since it probably won't clip enemy models. Boundless charge for casters that don't have it is big though. Giving access to boundless charge so B3, Harkevich, Karchev and Strakhov1 seems absurdly strong. I also think there could be something to do with Zerkova1 in WGK, boundless charges helps her a lot. The very first Mk3 list I built was a Z_1 list with Andrei, sending Juggies up the field and then putting up a cloud wall. I am totally planning on reviving that list and combo-ing Redline with Boundless Charge Or you know, the casual Strak_1 with Threat 16 jugs
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Post by Havock on Apr 4, 2018 19:38:11 GMT
You know who else likes threat extenders?
Butcher1.
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Post by leotherat on Apr 4, 2018 19:39:28 GMT
Maybe too many points but I just had a flash of Beast 09, Behemoth and Ruin on the field together. I'm not sure which Butcher would be better but being able to put Beast and Ruin into the opponent's lines has got to be bad news for them.
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Post by tesoe on Apr 4, 2018 19:48:17 GMT
Oh wow. I hadn't even thought about Beast 09. That's another shield guard we can fit into lists with other casters.
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on Apr 4, 2018 19:52:28 GMT
Oh wow. I hadn't even thought about Beast 09. That's another shield guard we can fit into lists with other casters. The way Bonds work is kinda weird. Bonds specifically call out Warcaster in the text for inclusion in Themes. Journeymen aren't Warcasters. The only way to get a Journeyman with their Bonded Jack in a Theme army is to have that Theme specifically call out the Jack.
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Post by tesoe on Apr 4, 2018 19:57:09 GMT
Oh wow. I hadn't even thought about Beast 09. That's another shield guard we can fit into lists with other casters. The way Bonds work is kinda weird. Bonds specifically call out Warcaster in the text for inclusion in Themes. Journeymen aren't Warcasters. The only way to get a Journeyman with their Bonded Jack in a Theme army is to have that Theme specifically call out the Jack. Sounds like something that needs a ruling. Edit: I checked and they did for Aiakos and Kharybdis back when Kharybdis came out. Only allowed if Kharybdis is in the theme.
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Post by leotherat on Apr 4, 2018 19:58:02 GMT
No, the bond only requires the jack to be in [Sorscha's] battlegroup.
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Apr 4, 2018 20:00:48 GMT
Would anyone want to guess the state of my nipples right about now? I would like to try her with OW1 as well! That sounds pretty fun! Edit: Something like this would intrugue me: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0x0f7wkWkW7shFe37plO7pKhador Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Jaws of the Wolf !!! Your army contains CID entries. (Old Witch 1) The Old Witch of Khador [+18] - Behemoth [25] - Juggernaut [13] - Juggernaut [13] - Kodiak [13] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] Kovnik Andrei Malakov [0(4)] - Destroyer [14] Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff [0(4)] - Destroyer [14]
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Post by tesoe on Apr 4, 2018 20:14:29 GMT
No, the bond only requires the jack to be in [Sorscha's] battlegroup. The bond rules in the rulebook under the theme section call out warcasters. The infernals even ruled on it back when Kharybdis came out. Aiakos1 can't take him in theme unless Kharybdis is allowed in the theme.
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Post by leotherat on Apr 4, 2018 20:27:30 GMT
It looks like you are correct. The first place I looked was under "bonds" and there is nothing about warcasters there. However, under the making an army using a Theme it does specify warcaster.
Drats-there goes that list.
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Apr 4, 2018 20:28:07 GMT
Right, so you cannot take Beast 09 in a theme. But she can still take Beast 09 out of theme and he will provide the bond benefits if I read it right.
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Post by Havock on Apr 4, 2018 21:22:50 GMT
Yeah but the only caster I see myself picking out of theme nowadays is Sorscha1.
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