blade
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Post by blade on Mar 4, 2018 23:58:27 GMT
Hey all I love trolls look and vibe, but im Not a wildly competitive player and not super interested in tourneys or list chicken. But I play with a pretty competitive group of guys.
I’m wondering is there a single, well rounded all comers style set up that trolls can run? And if so what do people think it is ? When I say well rounded I don’t necessarily mean a combined arms list but one that just plays Well into a lot of matchups.
Really curious what lists people think are the strongest all comers single list for trolls!
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Post by robbleyourworld on Mar 5, 2018 4:49:42 GMT
Honestly you can build decent all comers lists with most of our casters particularly our top-tier casters since that's part of what makes them top-tier. If you don't care about playing one of the competitive casters despite not being a "competitive player" you might try Madrak1, Borka2, or Kolgrima. If you want to use one of our casters who aren't perceived quite as highly you could maybe try Ragnor or Grim1.
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Post by Trollock on Mar 5, 2018 7:37:08 GMT
I think you can play ANY of our casters and make good all comers lists tbh. SotN is the theme i feel has the most well rounded game, but PoD and BoH are fine with some casters too. Do you have any special casters you are interested in? we could help you build a list for that guy. Otherwise ill give you a Jarl list that seems to be able to play against almost anything.  |
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Mar 5, 2018 10:08:25 GMT
I´d say it´s pretty simple. Just run one of the new hotness Madrak1 lists you can found. Something like
Base:
Madrak1
Bomber
Mauler
Moses
Fellcaller
Krielstone +UA
full champions + Skaldi
After that it´s up to you: choose two out of Champions, Long Riders, Fennblades or Fire Eaters.
Overall it seems that double full Champions is standard. Some use Fennblades, others use Long Riders. You can even run double Champions double Kriel Warriors.
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Post by Trollock on Mar 5, 2018 11:16:30 GMT
I´d say it´s pretty simple. Just run one of the new hotness Madrak1 lists you can found. Something like Base: Madrak1 Bomber Mauler Moses Fellcaller Krielstone +UA full champions + Skaldi After that it´s up to you: choose two out of Champions, Long Riders, Fennblades or Fire Eaters. Overall it seems that double full Champions is standard. Some use Fennblades, others use Long Riders. You can even run double Champions double Kriel Warriors. I have only played double champs + double min warders but has been back breaking for my opponents so far  |
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Post by deviantcad on Mar 5, 2018 15:02:12 GMT
If I was trying to make a TAC I'd do Mad1 single champs. Especially if your opponent is still going to have the option of two list. Personally I'd try to pack in as many answers in as I could and stay away from skews.
War Room Army
Trollblood - TAC
Theme: Storm of the North
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19)
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North - PC: 0
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9
- Northkin Elder - PC: 3
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 5
- Trollkin Sorcerer - PC: 3
Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
Something like this, maybe swapping the second unit of bears for warriors if you find the fire eaters are not giving you enough attacks or you are missing a good unit to start piece trading with. Hopefully the sorcerer and Valka will make up for not taking the original stone a bit.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Mar 6, 2018 18:13:45 GMT
I am working on a Madrak 2 build that looks like it will be very strong against everything but gun lines and control lists. I will probably start a thread on it later today.
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Post by magonus on Mar 6, 2018 18:23:00 GMT
I know he fell out of favor after getting nerfed but I think Madrak2 might be our best all comers warlock. With the current trend leaning back towards spamming jacks or multiwound infantry, he's poised to be really strong. With his feat, he'll also do well against infantry spams. Here is the current build I'm tinkering with:
Theme: Storm of the North
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Madrak Ironhide, World Ender - WB: +28
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Dire Troll Brawler - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16)
- Rök - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Horthol, Long Rider Hero - PC: 8
- Horthol, Long Rider Hero (Continued)
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
- Northkin Elder - PC: 3
Northkin Raiders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0
Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Mar 6, 2018 19:06:56 GMT
This is all theory-craft, but I feel like the bears are even more amazing for him than most warlocks. With prowl, you can cast blood fury on them turn one and run for a forest so you get stealth and have it out but don't get something shot off the table, and they have three initials to restart the feat. I could totally see fail-charging Madrak to get the ambushing unit in the feat where they can just murder a unit or two with back strikes.
I'll grant they don't have the 2" melee that is preferred for his feat, but other than that they seem like a better synergy than the other infantry with both feat and spell.
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Post by magonus on Mar 6, 2018 20:56:21 GMT
This is all theory-craft, but I feel like the bears are even more amazing for him than most warlocks. With prowl, you can cast blood fury on them turn one and run for a forest so you get stealth and have it out but don't get something shot off the table, and they have three initials to restart the feat. I could totally see fail-charging Madrak to get the ambushing unit in the feat where they can just murder a unit or two with back strikes. I'll grant they don't have the 2" melee that is preferred for his feat, but other than that they seem like a better synergy than the other infantry with both feat and spell. Bears do run very well with him. You could pretty easily swap the Long Riders for two units of Bears, then swap Horthol for Valka, a Champ Hero, or an Axer. My main thought for the Long Riders instead was having one 5 man target for Blood Fury rather than two 3 man units would be a bit more efficient. |
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cuberic
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Post by cuberic on Mar 7, 2018 19:58:46 GMT
Storm of the North is the place to look for an all corners list. The base being: Fire Eaters x2 Bears x2 Champs + skaldi stone + northkin elder You can add almost any warlock and have strong game. I'm running a Jarl of the North and it's been a fun and competitive each time. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0G0g0riUjq6Gj20ki-iZiZezeziTbKcCTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North (Skuld 1) Jarl Skuld, Devil of the Thornwood [+30] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Rok [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] |
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gorsk
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Post by gorsk on Mar 8, 2018 22:07:18 GMT
It is interesting that Calandra is not mentioned for an all-comers list. Have our other warlocks benefited more from the northkin CID?
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Post by ninjastars on Mar 8, 2018 22:47:43 GMT
This is the most take all comers list trolls have:
War Room Army
Trollblood - Ragnar
Theme: Band of Heroes
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army 0 / 40 Specialist
Ragnor Skysplitter, the Runemaster - WB: +30
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Dire Troll Brawler - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 4
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4
Stone Scribe Chronicler - PC: 4
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
- Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0
Trollkin Warders - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17
it handles shooting, dudeswarms, jacks, mixed lists, has upkeep removal, scenario presence,, is hard to kill and cracks anything. It’s everything you want a troll list to be.
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Post by ninjastars on Mar 8, 2018 22:59:14 GMT
It is interesting that Calandra is not mentioned for an all-comers list. Have our other warlocks benefited more from the northkin CID? Troll players have this weird tendency to never play calandra even though she’s probably the bet caster in the faction. She is a subtle caster that requires finesse, which goes against the trollish tradition of running at your opponent as fast as you can and punching them to death. my personal experience wth her is she seems good on paper but is hard to actually run. she suffers from the classic problem of wanting to get forward to use most of her toolkit, but she’s pretty easy to kill. She also doesn’t deal well with shooting, offensive debuffs, or control, so she may not be the best take all comers choice. That being said, there hasn’t been a lot of post cid data with her, the changes to champs, the stone, Amd the runebearer should really up her game, so it’s possible we’re all just distracted by madrak1 and haven’t realized how great she is yet. |
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Post by Trollock on Mar 9, 2018 20:21:48 GMT
It is interesting that Calandra is not mentioned for an all-comers list. Have our other warlocks benefited more from the northkin CID? Troll players have this weird tendency to never play calandra even though she’s probably the bet caster in the faction. She is a subtle caster that requires finesse, which goes against the trollish tradition of running at your opponent as fast as you can and punching them to death. my personal experience wth her is she seems good on paper but is hard to actually run. she suffers from the classic problem of wanting to get forward to use most of her toolkit, but she’s pretty easy to kill. She also doesn’t deal well with shooting, offensive debuffs, or control, so she may not be the best take all comers choice. That being said, there hasn’t been a lot of post cid data with her, the changes to champs, the stone, Amd the runebearer should really up her game, so it’s possible we’re all just distracted by madrak1 and haven’t realized how great she is yet. When fighting against heavies (preferably high value heavies) she is amazing. Against everything else, i think she is very middle of the pack. I think she is actually in the bottom half of our casters nowadays. There are too many tough questions being asked by other factions, and calandra answers almost none of them. If every one else played "fair" lists then she will be good, but there are just too many hard questions that you need to answer for her to be a compelling choice. That being said, she can still be played and you can win lots of games with her. ALL of our casters are viable choices imo |
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