Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 27, 2018 14:25:44 GMT
Tough absolutely stuffs Sevy2's Feat. Makes me a sad panda.
I usually don't run more than one Wrack, just because I save pulling for super relevant turns and don't much care if it dies then. Mechaniks, however, are money with Sevy2, especially when you start throwing Shield Guards in.
I also save the Punch Monks for being super relevant on scenario as contesting pieces, rather than trying to hard jam with them. I would rather my opponents divert resources to take care of them as opposed to being forced to. Of course, in my last game both my monks blew up after eating one attack each (opponent rolled the hard 10 and boosted 11 to hit).
Gaston: List looks good. Little sad that Awareness is more dead, but Protectorate shooting is more dead in general and you can still lob out two boosted Hex Blasts against anyone camping low. Double Idrians is always the beginning of a great list. That's almost exactly what my Kreoss3 list looks like. Different 'jack loadout, but same core (2x Champs, 2x Idrians, seasonings).
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 27, 2018 14:57:47 GMT
Hashmal yeah but setting the stone leader on fire and forcing tough is pretty good odds of killing the leader even if you do not rfp. I think it is going to vary game to game with my monks. last damage is a concern with them, but using them to stall on scenario is the ultimate goal. I don't think awareness is dead at all. Sure I don't have reckoners to get work done with it but honestly we really only have 3 non colossal jacks that leverage awareness; Reckoner, Vanquisher, and Redeemer. I don't particularly have good experiences with the redeemer (rat 1 is really really bad even boosted) I don't think reckoners are better than the templars in this build mostly because I need the jacks to be durable (and the tempalrs are a point cheaper) and the reckoners I feel more skew the list to assassination which is good and all but not something I may need right now. If I find the templars don't really hold their own enough or that the list does not attrition that well, I will probably bring reckoners to open up assassination as an option into tougher casters. The big thing I need awareness for is to spell sling through clouds and forests with Sevvy. Part of me really really wants to find a way to give him eyeless sight, but I have no real good option in FM for that and I am taking a break from CM with him until I can find a way to get a stronger scenario game there.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 27, 2018 15:41:50 GMT
Oh, you'll find Templars are super strong with him. Shield Guard, Oracular Vision, and Repair makes for a scary durable battlegroup.
I call Awareness dead because it becomes far more situational based on matchup. I am surprised to hear you say that the Redeemer is bad, as I can safely assure you that it's the one 'jack most of my opponents hate and Awareness does amazing things for it. If you're counting on it to direct hit infantry, sure it sucks, but if you're looking to boost blasts onto squishy support that you can see via Awareness, it becomes excellent. That said, it's hardly mandatory and I think Sevy2 plays just fine without a ranged battlegroup. It's more worth it to get him in FM because that theme fixes one of his big problems: late game hitting power.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 27, 2018 15:46:26 GMT
I just personally have had no luck with it. My drifts always go off and it never really seems worth the 11 points in my games. Except the 2 times I have used it with kreoss 1 where it and a reckoner beat the snot out of a heavy Yeah Pow 21 Templars are going to kill whatever they get to. Plus beat back for that extra scenario presence is also nice. Also, idrians are really good at chipping and finishing off heavies haha.
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wags
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Post by wags on Mar 27, 2018 16:04:14 GMT
Well dang, I feel dumb! I've only ever played Thyra in faithful masses so didn't even know that was a base rule. I'm the crazy one son. *slinks back to khador in shame*
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Mar 27, 2018 17:58:09 GMT
Redeemers are first and foremost heavy killers for me, assassination/solo/cavalry removal second. I don't remember firing one at infantry hoping for favourable scatters, and I've been using them with Sevvy1 since the beginning of this edition. (although it remains an ok option when an opportunity arises)
Last tournament I assassinated Karchev camping 4 focus in one turn and double Redeemers made a lot of work toward achieving this goal (It took 2 Reckoners, 2 Redeemers, Elias Gade(prey) with one Vessel of Judgement shot finishing Karchev off. My opponent just underestimated ranges and incredible power of PoM shooting).
Stack your to-hit bonuses and watch your opponent's disbelief at the sight of a pair of them melting a Khador heavy or a Battle Engine in one turn from 16" away.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 27, 2018 18:41:50 GMT
Oh yeah, I never stopped using them for that. Unfortunately, SR2017 is rather unkind to the Redeemer gunline, as they really want to sac move for aiming bonuses. It's hard to have 22 points sitting outside of scenario zones and hampered by LOS terrain in the center of the field.
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Cyel
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Post by Cyel on Mar 28, 2018 14:12:17 GMT
Agreed. I certainly have to mind not only the match-up but also the scenario and terrain being played when playing with Sevvy1 gunline in my pair, and the second list is definitely there to play any scenario well.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 28, 2018 17:08:14 GMT
So quick question for all you folks out there, I need a pairing for sevvy that can break defensive bricks. I think Thyra is my go to, but I need to test Sevvy into cygnar some as well as other gunlines. If he cannot clutch those hard enough, I may have to consider vindictus to deliver the exemplar, even though Thyra is way better at cracking defensive skews.
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Mar 28, 2018 18:51:52 GMT
defense bricks? Amon. Synergy is stupid.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 28, 2018 20:20:17 GMT
defense bricks? Amon. Synergy is stupid. Meh, amon bores me. I was looking more towards exemplar as I love the knights and own a but-load of them
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kaernak
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Post by kaernak on Mar 30, 2018 15:40:41 GMT
defense bricks? Amon. Synergy is stupid. Meh, amon bores me. I was looking more towards exemplar as I love the knights and own a but-load of them Boring, but it destroys defense bricks. Dervishes are dumb like that (until they nerf them)
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 30, 2018 16:24:43 GMT
Meh, amon bores me. I was looking more towards exemplar as I love the knights and own a but-load of them Boring, but it destroys defense bricks. Dervishes are dumb like that (until they nerf them) No arguments there, Mat 10 P+S 18 will do that to any brick
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 30, 2018 17:30:21 GMT
Kreoss3. He plays kind of like Thyra except when your model count gets low he can move midfield and be a super hero.
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 30, 2018 18:53:00 GMT
Kreoss3. He plays kind of like Thyra except when your model count gets low he can move midfield and be a super hero. Interesting. I’ve always loved all the kroess’ But I only own 1 you are not helping my caster ADD -_-
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