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Post by allinontrolls on Feb 11, 2018 10:52:01 GMT
Hi Folks,
in my meta these are the lists to beat currently. So going to a bigger tournmament u should have at least a game into both lists.
Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Winds of Death
(Rasheth 1) Dominar Rasheth [+28]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Cyclops Raider [9]
- Cyclops Shaman [8]
- Cyclops Shaman [8]
Extoller Soulward [0(3)]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0(4)]
Venator Dakar [0(4)]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Venator Reivers (max) [15]
- Venator Reiver Officer & Standard [4]
Venator Slingers (min) [8]
Siege Animantarax [17]
Siege Animantarax [17]
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Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Storm Division
(Nemo 3) Artificer General Nemo [+25]
- Dynamo [18]
- Firefly [8]
Anastasia di Bray [3]
Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)]
Journeyman Warcaster [0(4)]
- Firefly [8]
Field Mechaniks (min) [3]
Storm Lances (min) [12]
Storm Lances (min) [12]
Storm Strider [18]
Storm Strider [18]
My first thought if Ragnor would be a good idea into this lists.
i came to a list like this:
Trollbloods Army - 74 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
(Ragnor 1) Ragnor Skysplitter, The Runemaster [+30]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Storm Troll [9]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Northkin Shaman [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Farrow Valkyries [8]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
this would allow me to play ADR cause the second list is currently Kolgrima in Sotn. Which would allow some nice ADR tech for some interesting options. 3 Shieldguards shoud be a good start vs Skorne and Mulg to stop their debuff stuff is also a nice option. I would really love to add Llanyssa but i am not sure if minimizing the stone is the way to go.
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Post by danks on Feb 11, 2018 21:37:36 GMT
If you're looking for an answer to these lists specifically, why not run bearka? Either banky or my list has serious game in this match up.
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Post by ninjastars on Feb 12, 2018 3:11:46 GMT
I’m not sure if bearka would work here actually. Both lists have a lot of ways to thresh through infantry, and they both have ways to ignore concealment and stealth. They’d have a harder time with borkas battlegroup, but I think both lists have ways to finish them in melee. Not saying it’s an impossible fight, but I don’t see bearka as a natural counter.
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Post by allinontrolls on Feb 12, 2018 6:27:24 GMT
Rashesh ignores a lot of defensive techs like clouds stealth. That's why straight armor could be a problem. Ebdt with armor 22 and protected by mulg vortex could cause problems for their shooting to handle.
For the Nemo3 matchup 2 ebdt + storm troll could force the cygnar player to play their second list.
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ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on Feb 12, 2018 7:53:34 GMT
Against dynamo I would still play Kolgrima with double bears raiders and champs.
Maybe add in a min unit of the lookouts.
Ambush bears and lookouts will force him to bunch up in the middle
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Post by andyg on Feb 12, 2018 10:31:43 GMT
Re Dynamo - just remember the shield guard trick. The Shield Guard counts as the model hit, so just make sure it is either out of Dynamo LOS or range, and then it stops him getting any more shots from Multi fire. Also important is not to leave yourself within 2" of the original model, otherwise Dynamo can go back to shooting that original target.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Feb 12, 2018 12:10:53 GMT
I’m not sure if bearka would work here actually. Both lists have a lot of ways to thresh through infantry, and they both have ways to ignore concealment and stealth. They’d have a harder time with borkas battlegroup, but I think both lists have ways to finish them in melee. Not saying it’s an impossible fight, but I don’t see bearka as a natural counter. In one of Tim Bankys games with Bearka against Nemo 3, the Nemo 3 Player ran a Firefly to leap off of, however Bearka's feat does not specify 'Friendly models gain stealth', just 'models', so the Firefly was now stealthed and he could not shoot it. |
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Post by tomw on Feb 12, 2018 12:45:49 GMT
I’m not sure that there is one list that’s great into both of those matchups, as they require somewhat different tools.
Rasheth is a great troll drop (well, just a great warlock in general, really. But the str and arm debuffs are particularly effective into trolls.) I’ve had most success running madrak1 into him with a glacier king and double champs. It’s still not easy, and the turtles can kill the glacier king with a round of shooting if they get lucky. However, if you can position well and retaliate against them with your champs, the game is winnable.
Nemo3 is a great caster, but I feel like trolls have a lot of nice tools to deal with him- access to lightning immunity, and 2 casters with shooting denial feats (kolgrima and gunnbjorn). I’d drop kolgrima PoD with mulg and a pair of earthborns into him- she can play far enough back to avoid most of the electro leaps, and the cloud wall and and feat can make the game much tougher for him. Sure, he can still run up lances and shoot them, but that means he has to play a tricky game of positioning, and mulg and the earthborns aren’t really that bothered about boosted electro leaps anyway.
If I had to pick one caster to play both, it would probably be kolgrima. Stopping the turtles shooting for a turn is nice, and owl’s wisdom taking the spell assassination off the table helps too (just don’t leave an alternative breath of corruption target too close to her!)
As a caveat, I haven’t had a chance to get Borka2 on the table yet. He might be a better answer.
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Post by Trollock on Feb 12, 2018 14:25:09 GMT
Those turtles would have to be pretty damned lucky, since they should do 30 damage on average assuming feat and blood mark... The army at large though can easily one round a king unless you have shield guards or an ARM buff to compensate...
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Post by tomw on Feb 12, 2018 18:31:04 GMT
Those turtles would have to be pretty damned lucky, since they should do 30 damage on average assuming feat and blood mark... The army at large though can easily one round a king unless you have shield guards or an ARM buff to compensate... Sorry, you’re absolutely right- my friend plays the list with max reivers too. Throw that in and I think you can do it (perhaps with slightly lucky dice...) |
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Post by allinontrolls on Feb 13, 2018 19:05:20 GMT
So still nothing I would drop into rashesh. Perhaps it's kolgrima in sotn vs everything. Ambushing bears help vs flanking battleengines.
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Post by ninjastars on Feb 14, 2018 0:47:59 GMT
Here’s my Ragnar list right now
War Room Army
Trollblood - Ragnar mk
Theme: Band of Heroes
3 / 3 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army 40 / 40 Specialist
Ragnor Skysplitter, the Runemaster - WB: +30
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Mountain King - PC: 36 (Battlegroup Points Used: 30)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
- Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 2 Grunts: 12
Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 2 Grunts: 12
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
SPECIALISTS
Stone Scribe Chronicler - PC: 4
Trollkin Warders - Leader & 2 Grunts: 10
Kriel Warriors - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Trollkin Warders - Leader & 2 Grunts: 10
Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr - Lynus & Edrea: 5
THEME: Band of Heroes
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GENERATED : 02/13/2018 19:43:49
BUILD ID : 2055.17-11-21
The idea is the log riders alpha, or even just run, and you feat. They probably won’t be able to kill the long riders, then the champs and the mk kill everything and score zones next turn.
If I run into shooting I figure the six warders in the sideboard and the feat will be enough to weather it, if there’s no major shooting the second unit of champs are a better bet
If you don’t want to run the mk a mauler /brawler battlegroup would work too.
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Post by Trollock on Feb 14, 2018 7:01:52 GMT
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0a4N0j0j0ijqj66G6M0l0m2NiTbKiTcAcATrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Band of Heroes (Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Troll Impaler [11] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [5] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Stone Scribe Chronicler [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] Trollkin Warders (min) [10] Trollkin Warders (min) [10] Made to fight ghost fleet in the first place but should have game in to Rasheth and Nemo both i think.
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Post by skurkious on Feb 15, 2018 0:31:03 GMT
Thought this might be a good place to ask. Does shockwave do blast damage?
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Post by gdnerd on Feb 15, 2018 1:09:27 GMT
Thought this might be a good place to ask. Does shockwave do blast damage? Nope. |
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