gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 16, 2018 7:53:08 GMT
Being bored, I decided to do some light parsing of the ATC results to share here. This will all be ignoring byes and mirror games. I'd like to preface this with asking people to take it with a grain of salt. It's hard to analyze tournament results already due to small sample sizes and Team Tournaments exacerbate the problem with their format.
By Warlock:
Borka2 6-1 with his only loss to Bradigus
Doom3 1-1 beating Bradigus losing to Rasheth
Gunny 2-2 beating Siege and Nemo3 but losing to Rasheth and Elara2
Jarl 0-2 losing to both Reznik2 and Skarre1
Kolgrima with a shockingly abysmal 4-8 - I do not know what the deal is here.
Madrak1 with an even keeled 9-8
By Faction Faced:
Circle 2-1
CoC 2-0
Cryx 4-3
Cygnar 5-4
Grymkin 2-1
Khador 3-3
Minions 0-1
Protectorate 0-1
Ret 1-3
Skorne 2-5
By Caster Faced Highlights:
Elara2 1-2 Kolgrima the only Win, Madrak1 both the losses
Denny1 2-0 Madrak1 both times
Haley3 0-2 Kolgrima failed both times
Nemo3 3-0 different warlocks every time
Skarre1 2-1 Madrak both the wins, Jarl the only loss
The most interesting takeaway IMO is that PoM excluded Trolls had a positive winrate against the top half of the field faction-wise. Again, small sample size, a lot of factions got less than 3 games on record for the tournament and 0 against Mercs, but it is interesting to see. Can't wait to see how things shake out as more tournaments start happening!
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 16, 2018 9:48:06 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by Trollock on Jan 16, 2018 10:06:20 GMT
Awesome to see Borka 2 doing well. He is a treat to play imo, even though he might not answer anything special in the meta.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Jan 16, 2018 12:51:54 GMT
Awesome to see Borka 2 doing well. He is a treat to play imo, even though he might not answer anything special in the meta. I believe we now have the tools as a faction to create a question pair rather than an answer pair. |
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Post by deviantcad on Jan 16, 2018 14:15:30 GMT
Thanks for putting this up and good job Bearka.
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stibe
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Post by stibe on Jan 17, 2018 10:35:00 GMT
All the Kolgrima lists are in the wrong themes, explains the low winrate.
Praise the BoH! \[T]/
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Post by Trollock on Jan 17, 2018 12:13:46 GMT
Looks like Borka was actually 6-1. John Chritsiensen played him 5 games and won 4, and Banky played him twice and won both.
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Post by albertairish on Jan 17, 2018 15:10:56 GMT
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Post by macdaddy on Jan 17, 2018 15:55:59 GMT
I think the issue with Kolgrannie is the underlying issue with relying on team tournament results to determine caster or faction performance.
You probably are seeing those losses chocked up to Grannie either going into match ups as a sacrifice or being paired into a bad match up thanks to the other team.
We had a similar issue with circle where brad preformed abysmally. But I think that's not a reflection on brad as much as it is what he may have had to face.
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Post by greenjello on Jan 17, 2018 16:39:37 GMT
I was curious to see the only Kriel Company list, so here it is. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0D020reseCfK0pfq6e6eeBhUhUTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Kriel Company (Gunnbjorn 1) Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dozer & Smigg [18] Braylen Wanderheart, Trollkin Outlaw [0(5)] Pummeler Crew [0(6)] Pyg Bushwhackers (min) [9] - Pyg Bushwhacker Officer & Mortar [0(5)] Thumper Crew [5] Thumper Crew [5] Trollkin Highwaymen (max) [15] Trollkin War Wagon [16] Trollkin War Wagon [16] |
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 17, 2018 21:11:10 GMT
Looks like Borka was actually 6-1. John Chritsiensen played him 5 games and won 4, and Banky played him twice and won both. Fixed. The problem of doing this by hand while half asleep. |
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Post by johnaa on Jan 17, 2018 21:21:18 GMT
Team events are hard to judge stats with. People get thrown into bad matchs ups and good match ups. Trolls when I go to team events, I am there to get a certain bad match up my team cant handle but I can deal with it.
The koldgramma case ill make, she is the h2 of trolls. She is so complex that it will talk 50 plus games to nail her, even that it will be hard to play because she does so much. currently sitting at 40 games roughly with her myself. In Boh,SotN,PoD I am all over with her, she will be in my pairing for OTC in march playing her in BOH.
Mad1 is tough to judge, everyone is teching for him, even than his worse drops are nemo3 and Scar1. other than that its 50/50 rest of the matches ups or better. He is reall good, but seem to be an easy caster to play, but the list around him as you play him is quite hard. Trying to find the right list for him is a challenge, I personally like him in Sotn. I can say right now he is not in my paring.
Borka2 maybe our best caster in POD and able to take on whoever you need to cover your bad match ups
JohnAA
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Post by albertairish on Jan 18, 2018 15:35:42 GMT
I always find it odd that no one bothers to collect the kind of data for singles events that they do for team events. Having this kind of data for, say, Lock and Load Masters would be of great value.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Jan 18, 2018 18:42:59 GMT
I always find it odd that no one bothers to collect the kind of data for singles events that they do for team events. Having this kind of data for, say, Lock and Load Masters would be of great value. People have tried in the past. PP has actively discouraged people from scraping tournaments for broad data. TBH I don't know why WTC and ATC are allowed to publish all the stats. |
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Post by Trollock on Jan 18, 2018 20:43:08 GMT
PP have no control over what WTC publishes...
The problem with solo tournaments is that there often is no list lock ahead of time. Therefore it would be a pain to enter all the lists in to conflict chamber "live" so to speak.
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