ATC Lists

Unless your opponent has a mt fixer, or knockdown...or stationary.  I seem to have horrible luck relying on def skew. Pretty much anything under def 16 is unreliable for me. Even def 15 gets killed by those raw dog 8's...*sigh*

mmm this is something that circle players really don't realize and is why they get dragged down so often. We like to complain about our threat range, yet the major threat ranges are, in general, guns which are useless against stealth or units that are behind forests, even just concealment or cover is huge on negating all range but sprays and we can freely spawn forests and rough ground with ease. Even better, we have several models with "outs" that let them see through forests like it wasn't even there. Tharn models that receive plus 2 def in melee when in a forest... *murmurs about circle beasts without pathfinder*

We don't need things like blur because the only way to shoot our models is usually with combined ranged attacks or uber boosted shots. *points at stalker prowl + Kaya3 conceal* We also have the doggies that are rather cheap and have kick ass animi that the enemy NEEDS to take out early. Proper circle play involves tossing 2 or 3 doggies or cheepo griffons purposely in alpha range of their longer ranged models and letting them be your sacrificial pawns. Behind them, out of range, is YOUR alpha, consisting of wolves, satyrs, and griffons. Next turn, you get the alpha on the units they alpha'd to kill the bait, since if they don't take the chance when they are exposed, they are going to need a hammer to get at them later. If their intention is to ignore your bait, use them for a quick and easy assassination run, as Def 5 casters and character models make easy prey when you combine it with one of our numerous shifting tricks.

Armor boosting our living beasts is actually rather wise if you are good at bait and switch tactics. even +3 def isn't going to stop someone from spending any more focus/fury as they already would when facing a def 13+ model. On the other hand, having 20 arm forces the majority of beasts and casters to need to spend ANOTHER focus/fury on boosting damage for every swing they take. It's the same with our infantry, we are already high enough def to force boosts, but you need over 16 arm to force boosted damage roles.

ON THE OTHER HAND! Wold beasts that already have high armor (or ways to obtain high armor) already have enough that a light def boost would be more beneficial. That is all just math and average benefits. What sits across from you on the other side of the table can change the whole thing around. Look at Khador, since they only have an armor skew people have easily prepared full anti-armor, low mat/rat lists that rip Khador apart (none for circle yet unfortunately) and have been keeping them on the lower end of the winning spectrum as of late... and ONLY as of late (like all other generally OP factions, the moment they get butt hurt they get a CID or some model that makes them OP again)

Here is my collection from the ATC results:

W L %
Baldur2 3 6 33%
Grayle1 3 2 60%
Kaya3 1 1 50%
Kromac2 1 0 100%
Kruegr1 2 3 40%
Kruegr2 4 4 50%
Mohsar1 1 8 11%
Thorle1 4 13 24%
Una2 12 1 92%
Wurmwood1 2 0 100%

It includes mirror matches.

Brad did a lot worse than I thought he would and Una2 a lot better...

It's my personal opinion that Brad isn't that good, he's not nearly as good as he was in mk2, in faction basically a worse version of Una and he's still very complicated to pilot. Without sounding mean, unless you're a very good player you will probably mess playing Brad up and considering he's not that strong and very easy to assassinate... yeah that seems about right.

I'd be quite interested in the stats for Circle warlocks only in the X-0 or X-1 bracket.

Edit: Also demonic sometimes I think you play a different game from us bud. Your posts often come across a little.... crazy. 

Are those 3 Brad wins by midgetmerc? He posted his Brad & Brun thoughts in a different post. I think any team tourney results are a little off skew just by the fact people get to pick matchups and can adjust their list with that knowledge. All Hail Queen 2una

Eric Mack's Una2 list is the one for me. With +1 to go first that is downright nasty. Being able to funnel it away from its few bad matchups is even better.