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Post by bane on Dec 19, 2017 9:58:28 GMT
Hi I've currently been collecting/playing for almost a year now and so far have sizeable armies for both cryx and khador (10+ war casters and almost 300 points for each) However I want to collect all factions eventually and I am interested in getting them by faction importance. I don't care which factions are most powerful in the game I'm more interested in which factions are most relevant/important in the WM/H world in the fluff/story/lore. For example I won't be getting say 'farrow' next as although I haven't yet read any books I know they aren't super relevant in the story! Im getting the Cygnar battle box next week as i think they seem to be the "heroes" and I've asked my partner to get me another random battlebox of her choice (she knows nothing at all about WM/H) based on what she thinks looks good! Lol And they will be my next projects. But after that I'm interested in knowing what people think the order I should collect based on faction relevance! Thanks
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Post by Gamingdevil on Dec 19, 2017 10:06:50 GMT
All factions have some importance in the fluff (usually ret conned), but I would say the "most" important would be the original factions: Cygnar, Khador, Cryx, Protectorate of Menoth. They were the original players of the Iron Kingdoms and have the most lore associated with them.
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Post by borderprince on Dec 19, 2017 13:12:38 GMT
Magnus - he's a faction all by himself.
He's a one man fluff machine. A main character in 3 books who put together the largest mercenary army the IK have ever seen and managed to effect regime change in Cygnar which has dramatically altered that faction's attitude to military action. Beyond that he directly influenced Stryker and Caine in their development (he directly trained Stryker and pursuing Magnus was part of the move from Caine1 to Caine2). He's driven more of the background from the WM perspective than anyone else.
But sadly no battlebox.
In Hordes, Skorne and Circle are probably the most important, but Skorne more visibly. They've attacked a major Cygnaran city, threaten bits of the Protectorate and have now launched a full invasion of Ios (something which no human army, or even the IK bogeymen, the Orgoth, ever did).
And Farrow are super important. It's just that Lord Carver is turning out to be the Leisurely Bringer of Most Massive Destruction. He'll get there eventually.
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Post by jisidro on Dec 19, 2017 14:59:18 GMT
You have to go with Cygnar as assumed poster boys there are at the heart of most big plots in the WM/H universe... If it doesn't involve them in some capacity it is happening in their territory...
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Post by Blargaliscious on Dec 19, 2017 17:08:52 GMT
Collect all of the factions?!? That, sir, is a pretty big goal to set for yourself.
Collecting miniatures based upon faction importance in the background is a bit of a sideways approach to collecting the miniatures, kind of like appreciating the letters in the alphabet based upon what color they are. The "importance" of a faction can be measured in several different ways.
If you go based upon sheer volume of background material written, then collect Cygnar (and the mercenaries that love it) and don't worry too much about the others.
If you go based upon impact upon the landscape then the Elves / Retribution of Scyrah are the next choice - their ancestors cracked the continent and created a massive desert after succeeding to build a bridge to their version of heaven.
If you go based upon the size / importance of the patron of the faction then Protectorate of Menoth is all about the god Menoth (think Catholic Church + Islamic Jihad + Spanish Inquisition, all on a bad hair day) while Cryx is backed by the grand-daddy of all dragons.
If you go based upon overall impact to the storyline, then Thamar, who is credited with giving mankind "The Gift" of magic should be your next target, but she never started a faction. The best you could do for Thamar is a Mercenary Thamarite warcaster and a small collection of Thamarite solos.
If I were you, I would collect based upon what really calls out to you, either based upon looks or how the army fights in a game. After all, are the farrow important to the storyline? Not really, but the idea of collecting female Wagnerian Opera battle pigs (and friends) is really calling to me.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 19, 2017 18:43:16 GMT
Trollbloods have more to do with the story than Circle, imo. Of course, more of that is what is done TO Trollbloods than any major actions they take. Circle does tend to be more subtly proactive than Legion or the Trollbloods.
I'd start your remaining collection most simply, get the rest of the Battlebox kits, then get their army boxes (if you can). Also look into the CID boxes as they come out which help solidify the themes. This will allow for a more organic development than a pure focus. But that is more assuming you are just being a collector rather than a player.
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Post by NephMakes on Dec 23, 2017 21:26:08 GMT
[...] a bit of a sideways approach to collecting the miniatures, kind of like appreciating the letters in the alphabet based upon what color they are. Grapheme-color synesthesia is surprisingly common, like a few percent of the population, so there are actually a substantial number of people who do exactly that.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Dec 24, 2017 1:01:52 GMT
[...] a bit of a sideways approach to collecting the miniatures, kind of like appreciating the letters in the alphabet based upon what color they are. Grapheme-color synesthesia is surprisingly common, like a few percent of the population, so there are actually a substantial number of people who do exactly that. Thank you for letting us know about this form of synesthesia, I did know that associating colors with numbers and letters existed outside of LSD. I am enriched for having you add to my knowledge base and sorry for any offense I may have caused to anyone who has this as a part of their life.
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Post by NephMakes on Dec 24, 2017 3:00:41 GMT
[...] sorry for any offense I may have caused to anyone who has this as a part of their life. No problem here. I can definitely see why it'd seem sideways to someone without it. I just thought it was funny that your "sideways" example was actually a thing. Some other fun synesthesia facts: Most people who have it don't realize it's synesthesia. They may not yet realize that not everyone has it. It's a lot like reading. You know how you read and have like a voice or voice-like sound in your head? Or you read the words "red door" and automatically have a mental image of a red door? It's like that.
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Post by greytemplar on Dec 24, 2017 6:11:42 GMT
Its funny, when I was little I associated colors and moods quite strongly. Tired/sleepy was brown, hungry was orange, happy was blue, and silly was red.
I don't do it anymore, but I clearly remember doing it when I was little.
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Post by gorsk on Dec 26, 2017 23:43:10 GMT
If relevance to the game world is important, you should start with Trollkin. Everything else is just a snack!
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Post by W0lfBane on Dec 28, 2017 19:00:33 GMT
I would suggest picking up the protectorate last. The amount of stories of real life people having their house burn down after abandoning Menoth is disturbing.
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Post by juckto on Dec 30, 2017 19:46:54 GMT
Or you read the words "red door" and automatically have a mental image of a red door? It's like that. That's a bit of a fallacy. Say something random to someone like "pink elephant" and what they really think is "why is this wacko spouting random words at me?" It's not until you add "and you can't help but visualise a pink elephant" that their brain actually starts imagining what you think it 'has' to imagine.
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Post by NephMakes on Dec 31, 2017 18:04:05 GMT
It's not until you add "and you can't help but visualise a pink elephant" that their brain actually starts imagining what you think it 'has' to imagine. "I don’t even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead." —Cypher, The Matrix (1999)
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Post by welshhoppo on Dec 31, 2017 19:24:17 GMT
It's not until you add "and you can't help but visualise a pink elephant" that their brain actually starts imagining what you think it 'has' to imagine. "I don’t even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead." —Cypher, The Matrix (1999) Except he's Actually lying in that scene. He's actually setting up a meeting with Agent Smith, and he was checking that Neo couldn't actually read the code.
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