gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Mar 29, 2018 18:44:19 GMT
But if you're dong that how are you getting the bomber in? Or are you suggesting just stick with the EBDT plan.
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Post by allinontrolls on Mar 29, 2018 19:30:46 GMT
IT would be your list just switching basher+ feral for Storm.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Mar 29, 2018 19:58:52 GMT
Fair enough. Admittedly I do like the storm into Gravediggers, the gun is pretty efficient for clearing out dudes.
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Post by allinontrolls on Mar 29, 2018 20:11:22 GMT
As long as I got mulg I got sprays for days. I really like feralgeist in pod to secure scenario play. I will test it tomorrow.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 1, 2018 15:28:37 GMT
I played kolgrima in pod twice and really liked the battlegroup of ebdt, mauler,bomber,mulg, axer. Their is so much synergy in this list playing a knot. Puppet master for kolgrima , bomber + the beast charging your opponent. The assassination thread is soo real could killed the wanderer top of 2 but played on to test the attrition. Not sure about the last 5 points. Tested llanyssa but she does not really impressed me.
Would love to hear some ideas. I am not sure if this list could play into the skorne fun line.
Second list I will test madrak1 old school in BoH. After gnerd convinced me that madrak is playable vs skarre1 DH.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Apr 1, 2018 17:16:21 GMT
I played kolgrima in pod twice and really liked the battlegroup of ebdt, mauler,bomber,mulg, axer. Their is so much synergy in this list playing a knot. Puppet master for kolgrima , bomber + the beast charging your opponent. The assassination thread is soo real could killed the wanderer top of 2 but played on to test the attrition. Not sure about the last 5 points. Tested llanyssa but she does not really impressed me. Would love to hear some ideas. I am not sure if this list could play into the skorne fun line. Second list I will test madrak1 old school in BoH. After gnerd convinced me that madrak is playable vs skarre1 DH. Bone Grinders maybe? Or how about this? I'm not sure she needs the Bomber that badly, so how about two lights instead? That's better for piece trading at least. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bj19DiRiYjp7h0hjqfJfJ6Rfp0li-2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Kolgrima 1) Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Ice Troll [9] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] I think the Knot can probably use Serenity here because the Ice and Storm shoot, the Axer and Mauler spend the first couple turns as buff bots before they go in as a second wave, and Mulg does a bit of both, as I'm learning to not commit him lightly. The Earthborn will always be the first to go in. I went with the Storm Troll to help clear infantry and for CYA against Cygnar, but if you're not so concerned about that and/or want to tweak more for assassinations, a Swamp Troll would be awesome. I managed to get maximum cloudage and then I went with the Northkin Elder to maximize damage from those Shamans and the Ice Troll as well as Granny's big sprays. I never remember to move the stone before sending the dires into melee anyway. :P
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 1, 2018 18:51:43 GMT
I played kolgrima in pod twice and really liked the battlegroup of ebdt, mauler,bomber,mulg, axer. Their is so much synergy in this list playing a knot. Puppet master for kolgrima , bomber + the beast charging your opponent. The assassination thread is soo real could killed the wanderer top of 2 but played on to test the attrition. Not sure about the last 5 points. Tested llanyssa but she does not really impressed me. Would love to hear some ideas. I am not sure if this list could play into the skorne fun line. Second list I will test madrak1 old school in BoH. After gnerd convinced me that madrak is playable vs skarre1 DH. Bone Grinders maybe? Or how about this? I'm not sure she needs the Bomber that badly, so how about two lights instead? That's better for piece trading at least. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bj19DiRiYjp7h0hjqfJfJ6Rfp0li-2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Kolgrima 1) Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Ice Troll [9] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] I think the Knot can probably use Serenity here because the Ice and Storm shoot, the Axer and Mauler spend the first couple turns as buff bots before they go in as a second wave, and Mulg does a bit of both, as I'm learning to not commit him lightly. The Earthborn will always be the first to go in. I went with the Storm Troll to help clear infantry and for CYA against Cygnar, but if you're not so concerned about that and/or want to tweak more for assassinations, a Swamp Troll would be awesome. I managed to get maximum cloudage and then I went with the Northkin Elder to maximize damage from those Shamans and the Ice Troll as well as Granny's big sprays. I never remember to move the stone before sending the dires into melee anyway. Bone Grinders would be fun if they would increase the spray to 12". My support group is a bit over the top in my opinion (Janissa,Whelps,max Stone+Ua,Runebearer,Knot,5 extra support points) So i am currently running 36 points of support. Thats why i am thinking about switching my list to a different Battlegroup. Basher could be a really nice tool in that list which i wanna test in the future. Pathfinder + crit stagger + puppet master could be really nice + 1" reach for a light + power 14 could deal some damage. I tested Ice Troll / Storm Troll both at the time i did not play a knot and cause of their 10" range they often have to move and then shooting with rat 5 they missed and died cause of base armor of 16. Perhaps i should play them differently but they rarely where point efficient. Expect for the Storm Animus in certain matchups.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Apr 2, 2018 18:27:37 GMT
I don't know why you guys are trying so hard, she's only a B to B+ warlock anyways.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 2, 2018 18:55:45 GMT
I don't know why you guys are trying so hard, she's only a B to B+ warlock anyways. That's being generous..I mean all she does is cloudwall and feat...so one dimensional...
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Apr 2, 2018 19:35:26 GMT
Basically zero personal threat at all.....
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Apr 2, 2018 20:26:57 GMT
It's okay, I'll just have to put on a show for them at Kingdomcon in a couple weeks Admittedly I've been pretty out of shape since LVO. I've been making some serious blunders that I need to train out of myself before I go to San Diego.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 2, 2018 22:42:08 GMT
I love the guys of chain attack but I never listened to an episode where i disagree more. No word about the spell immune or mulg as an arc node. Her assassination potential was completely misunderstood.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Apr 3, 2018 11:00:05 GMT
I never listened to an episode where i disagree more. Strong statement, not sure I can get on board. lol edit: I still miss Scott most of all. It took a real hit when he left. Kolgrima for me seems like the perfect Troll warlock. She brings all the tools, she contributes in a ferocious way, and she delivers her army, which is the strength of Trolls. I'm not currently playing her because I expect the outpouring of tears to get her nerfed sooner rather than later, but I certainly see how she is a staple.
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Post by deviantcad on Apr 3, 2018 15:22:19 GMT
It did seem a bit off base to me. I think they had a really good dynamic with Josh asking the dumb question that was often what I was thinking and Jay and Trevor being experts. I think Jay and Trevor haven't been playing much lately and it is starting to show.
I think they were right about the feat, against a gunline it is devistating but against combined arms or melee centered list it can be weak. I don't think they mentioned how good it can be to stop people from just toeing zones as a back up vs those list.
As everyone else said survivability was way off as it is not uncommon for her to go in a bit and they forgot owls wisdom.
Does anyone else feel she drives the match ups toward list chicken?
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 3, 2018 16:51:53 GMT
I am on a 50 game challange with her and after 30 games i would say she is one of the best all corner casters in Troll i have ever played. I played 2 tournaments with her in Pod and one in Sotn and depending on the list she really differs in playstyle.
Her biggest strength in my opionion is that she always feels that she got a game into almost everything. So it s not really a list chicken.
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