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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 29, 2017 15:00:50 GMT
I came up with an idea for an alternate warlock attachment. Not that there is anything wrong with the Runebearer, but really more just to have options.
Trollkin Champion Shieldmaiden
Trollblood Solo
Shieldmaiden
SPD 6 STR 7 MAT 7 RAT 7 DEF 12 ARM 16 CMD 5
FA: 1 Point Cost: 5 Base Size: Medium Base Damage: 8
Attached - Before the start of the game, attach this model to a friendly Faction warlock for the rest of the game. Each Faction warlock can have only one model/unit attached to it.
SHIELDMAIDEN Tough Shield Guard Battle Bonds - At any time during its activation, this model may cast one animus of COST 2 or less of a warbeast in its warlock’s battlegroup. This model may only cast animi with a RNG of SELF, but if its warlock is within 5” when the animus is cast, then the warlock is also affected by that animus.
WEAPONS [SHIELDMAIDEN]
Thrown Spear [1x] (None) gun icon RNG: 8 ROF: 1 AOE: - POW: 13 Thrown Damage Type: Magical
Spear [1x] (None) sword icon RNG: 2 POW: 6 P+S: 13 Damage Type: Magical
Shield [1x] (None) sword icon RNG: 0.5 POW: 4 P+S: 11 Shield (+2 ARM)
So for Grissel 2, this might be better, and for Jarl it could be honestly debatable, and for the Madraks it might depend entirely on the list build. What do you think?
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Post by Trollock on Nov 29, 2017 15:20:23 GMT
So, you get a free animus with range self? The runebearer pretty much does this already, since snipe only costs 1. Having an attachment that can serve as a shiled guard and do some work too sounds nice, but not sure if i would give up spell slave, discount on a spell and +2" control range.
Options are nice though. It is a shame that Hordes basically only has one attachment per faction while warmachine factions have like 4 each.
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 29, 2017 16:30:41 GMT
Minion Caster attachment Works for all Minion factions
* Action: Target friendly Caster can cast one animus from a dead warbeast from their battlegroup without being forced.
Arcane Assist if in command range, warcaster can upkeep one spell without spending fury.
* Action Medicate: RNG b2b Target Friendly living warbeast if the warbest is in range remove d3 damage points from it
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Post by Hotwater on Nov 29, 2017 16:36:36 GMT
The model design is very confused and it's trying to do too many things at the same time. Right now it's trying to be high on offense, defense, and fury management. I'd suggest you focus on one aspect and expand on that, being that it's a Shieldmaiden I'd go with heavy defense and protective abilities.
Example: Drop the fury management aspect and give the model Counter Charge or Counter Smite with return. Or while within 5" of the warlock, both this model and the warlock gain Force Lock or Steady.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Nov 29, 2017 16:55:16 GMT
I like the idea of a guard dog style attachment for our warlocks, but with our low Fury stats, we need all the help we can get on the magic front. Runebearer is just too good to pass up.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 29, 2017 17:24:42 GMT
So, you get a free animus with range self? The runebearer pretty much does this already, since snipe only costs 1. Having an attachment that can serve as a shiled guard and do some work too sounds nice, but not sure if i would give up spell slave, discount on a spell and +2" control range. Options are nice though. It is a shame that Hordes basically only has one attachment per faction while warmachine factions have like 4 each. Yeah, that's the idea. I can see how most of our warlocks really would prefer the Runebearer, it's just that I do play Grissel 2 a lot and others have said that RB does not actually work so well with some of them (like Borka 2) in practice. I guess this Shieldmaiden is still good if your warlock plays forward and uses animi more than regular spells. Still, she should probably cost 4 as opposed to 5, now that I think about it.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 29, 2017 17:30:30 GMT
The model design is very confused and it's trying to do too many things at the same time. Right now it's trying to be high on offense, defense, and fury management. I'd suggest you focus on one aspect and expand on that, being that it's a Shieldmaiden I'd go with heavy defense and protective abilities. Example: Drop the fury management aspect and give the model Counter Charge or Counter Smite with return. Or while within 5" of the warlock, both this model and the warlock gain Force Lock or Steady. I can see what you mean, but I do like the idea of her also benefitting from Flaming Fists, Earth Blessing, or Far Strike. Yet maybe that could be woven in with Arcaux idea and this model could push the guardian aspect more. It's just that we kinda already have the Bouncer for that, albeit at twice the cost.
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Post by mattmcd on Nov 29, 2017 19:06:23 GMT
I had the idea of an attachment that made the warlock Northkin, or maybe a solo that gave it within command. A storyteller or something perhaps.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 30, 2017 0:18:22 GMT
OK, so yaknow how the Cyclops Shaman can cast another warbeast's animus? How about an attachment who can do that? As long as that model has both a ranged and melee attack it could still benefit from Flaming Fists and Far Strike. Then it could also have the clause that when casting upon itself the warlock also benefits. Maybe round it out with the Druid Wilder's CTRL extension schtick, or a once-per-game ability to cast the animus of a dead beast?
Then the Shieldmaiden could instead get something more fitting fluffwise, like Counter Charge or Guard Dog.
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Post by Sarcastastic on Nov 30, 2017 6:13:26 GMT
I simply adore the idea of casting animi of dead beasts, but probably mostly because the bone grinders lost it in the Mk3 transition. Which is super lame and took all their cool flavour away. I love the idea of a minion bringing that back. Especially useful for us as it allows us to not have to play so safe with our Maulers. I want them in the thick of it, without worrying about losing Rage.
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Post by joedj on Nov 30, 2017 7:47:47 GMT
I simply adore the idea of casting animi of dead beasts, but probably mostly because the bone grinders lost it in the Mk3 transition. Which is super lame and took all their cool flavour away. I love the idea of a minion bringing that back. Especially useful for us as it allows us to not have to play so safe with our Maulers. I want them in the thick of it, without worrying about losing Rage. My Gator army agrees, (Rage) Wrastler needs that 'freedom' to fight! And my Circle armies prefer not to lose Primal also.
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Post by streetpizza on Nov 30, 2017 16:34:09 GMT
Minion Caster attachment Works for all Minion factions * Action: Target friendly Caster can cast one animus from a dead warbeast from their battlegroup without being forced. Arcane Assist if in command range, warcaster can upkeep one spell without spending fury. * Action Medicate: RNG b2b Target Friendly living warbeast if the warbest is in range remove d3 damage points from it ... and you just made the wilder completely irrelevant.
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 30, 2017 17:38:23 GMT
Minion Caster attachment Works for all Minion factions * Action: Target friendly Caster can cast one animus from a dead warbeast from their battlegroup without being forced. Arcane Assist if in command range, warcaster can upkeep one spell without spending fury. * Action Medicate: RNG b2b Target Friendly living warbeast if the warbest is in range remove d3 damage points from it ... and you just made the wilder completely irrelevant. That's absolutely fair. I like the first ability and would need to think about what the other abilities could be without stepping on toes. I suppose a minion solo that de stealthed a model or gave the caster a free reload could be a way to goi.
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Post by cayterpius on Nov 30, 2017 19:05:45 GMT
Dhunian / Northkin Shieldmaiden - Troll attachment
SPD 6
Give her a shieldgun a la Valkyries or MoW.
Shield Guard
Countercharge
8 boxes
*Can cast a self animus and both her and warlock within 5 inches benefit from it
*Allows caster to use a single dead animus once per round
5 points and put a fork in it.
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