boozy
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Post by boozy on Nov 22, 2017 20:57:11 GMT
I bought into Cygnar recently, primarily because I wanted to mix up my normal faction use, and Gravediggers was the perfect excuse to finally play Kraye. Anastasia+theme on a fast mobile warcaster is bonkers good, I'm loving it.
Thing is, I discovered Maddox in the process. Holy crap, for a simple warcaster she packs tools. Potential ARM skew, high ARM crack, melee and shooting threat extenders. She's super solid, and not in the normal jack of all trades sense. Two units of Storm Lances at ARM 20 on feat brings ARM serious questions alone, along with other goodies.
Looking at her direct competitors, only Tanith maybe brings a strong competitive package.
Whatcha all think? Do any other basic warcaster or warlocks measure up for competitive list building?
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Post by droopingpuppy on Nov 23, 2017 2:43:56 GMT
While Maddox is a good, very good(and boring) caster, but Cygnar Battlebox itself is bad because Lancer is useless for her, and Firefly is less useful for her too. Although it is the cheapest warjack for your Journeyman Warcaster.
If you just want to say for the battle box caster then... Kozlov seems good consider the experience to against him. No knockdown as well as speed bump seems quite good combination for Khador.
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Post by ankiseth on Nov 23, 2017 2:49:06 GMT
Yeah Kozlov is worthwhile. He hits that spot where he’s a little too balanced for a pair where you rather have two casters excellent in their specific roles than one caster solid on several roles.
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 23, 2017 3:14:23 GMT
I think tanith is arguably the best all round caster of all the Battlebox casters. She plays well in just about every theme, has a fantastic character warbeast, and is adaptable in a pairing.
I think Koslov and Madox are excellent but fit best in specific themes. Like Storm division for maddox and Legion of Steel for Koslov.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 23, 2017 6:04:11 GMT
Yeah Kozlov is worthwhile. He hits that spot where he’s a little too balanced for a pair where you rather have two casters excellent in their specific roles than one caster solid on several roles. Yeah, but it's still good to have him on the roster so he can cover bases that say, Irusk can't. |
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Post by killroundears on Nov 23, 2017 6:52:44 GMT
skornes battlebox caster is absolutely awful, but the overall package is decent since most people want a gladiator and a raider sooner rather than later. Savages i don't think anybody needs since enough were sold in mk2 battleboxes that if they were edible we could solve world hunger
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Post by sgregorbmmd on Nov 23, 2017 9:30:08 GMT
Ossrum is pretty good! Though he doesn't technically have a battlebox, he's legal in journeyman leagues.
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 23, 2017 13:06:52 GMT
skornes battlebox caster is absolutely awful, but the overall package is decent since most people want a gladiator and a raider sooner rather than later. Savages i don't think anybody needs since enough were sold in mk2 battleboxes that if they were edible we could solve world hunger I still feel like there’s potential there with him. He has a really powerful theme and mortality is awesome in faction. You also have Chiron who is a really cool heavy |
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on Nov 23, 2017 13:58:11 GMT
I think Koslov and Madox are excellent but fit best in specific themes. Like Storm division for maddox and Legion of Steel for Koslov. I actually think Kozlov has as much, if not more game in Armoured Korps than in LoS. |
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Nov 23, 2017 14:51:08 GMT
Agathia has become much more compelling in recent months. Before she was just Deneghra1 lite with a defensive feat, now that Deneghra doesn’t control as well Agathia is straight up better defensively, can accumulate Desecrators in themes that aren’t Dark Host, brings mass Ghostly to themes that aren’t Dark Host, & an RFP nuke.
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Post by killroundears on Nov 23, 2017 21:03:48 GMT
skornes battlebox caster is absolutely awful, but the overall package is decent since most people want a gladiator and a raider sooner rather than later. Savages i don't think anybody needs since enough were sold in mk2 battleboxes that if they were edible we could solve world hunger I still feel like there’s potential there with him. He has a really powerful theme and mortality is awesome in faction. You also have Chiron who is a really cool heavy I have been quite enjoying Chiron while playing out of theme Jalaam. he's not unique in the game (Carnivean, pureblood etc) but hes super unique inside skorne and quite good at what he does. So if there is a great xekaar list out there yeah it definitely includes chiron. i just shy away from recommending him to new players because it means you have to stick with noodle arms and noodle arms optimal list probably involves a lot of minions in DOA |
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Post by oncomingstorm on Nov 23, 2017 21:14:17 GMT
Tanith, Ragnor, and Maddox are all competitive casters, somewhere in the A-Tier range for their factions.
Agathia is a solid B+ caster in a faction chock full of A-S tier casters.
Kozlov and Malekus have game in some specific themes and lists. Kozlov looks a fair bit better if the unyielding change goes through.
Kryssa is disappointing, unless you are JVM.
Helynna is deceptively bad.
Xekaar is hot trash.
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faelin
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Post by faelin on Nov 23, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
Retribution caster and convergence casters are both good.
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Post by killroundears on Nov 23, 2017 21:41:43 GMT
Tanith, Ragnor, and Maddox are all competitive casters, somewhere in the A-Tier range for their factions. Agathia is a solid B+ caster in a faction chock full of A-S tier casters. Kozlov and Malekus have game in some specific themes and lists. Kozlov looks a fair bit better if the unyielding change goes through. Kryssa is disappointing, unless you are JVM. Helynna is deceptively bad. Xekaar is hot trash. i'd stick maddox in B. She might be an A in other factions, but shes got extremely stiff competition in Cygnar to be considered A. I'd also not really say she does anything that warrants A shes just a solid all around package. |
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 23, 2017 22:00:55 GMT
Tanith, Ragnor, and Maddox are all competitive casters, somewhere in the A-Tier range for their factions. Agathia is a solid B+ caster in a faction chock full of A-S tier casters. Kozlov and Malekus have game in some specific themes and lists. Kozlov looks a fair bit better if the unyielding change goes through. Kryssa is disappointing, unless you are JVM. Helynna is deceptively bad. Xekaar is hot trash. You've piqued my curiosity. Why is Helynna deceptively bad? |
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