Kavrae
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Post by Kavrae on Nov 13, 2017 21:00:31 GMT
Cryx is an odd one to use as an example. Our character jacks were quite popular for a while, aren't so bad now, and we don't focus on them anyway.
Nightmare has always been popular, as far as I remember. Taken in many Deneghra list and (before themes) non-deneghra lists. Stealth and chain attack are just amazing. Deathjack is certainly a risk to put so many points into one platform, but it's by no means a shelf warmer. Post-themes it was mostly just waiting for one to come along that helped it. Hello Black Industries. Cankerworm has obviously already been mentioned as a popular Asphyxious jack. Barathrum and Erebus were popular before themes (as you mentioned) then were basically waiting for their warcasters to get their themes. Now they're fine. We might even see more of Barathrum after the Unyielding change. Malice... Honestly I really want to use this warjack, but it doesn't fit into my two themes. 2 point difference with different focuses makes the fight between this and Reaper difficult. Kharybdis I'll ignore for now. Fairly new, not sure how popular it is.
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Post by streetpizza on Nov 14, 2017 4:19:54 GMT
Well Circle's single best beast currently doesn't have a home, Loki. I would personnally love to see him included in the wild hunt as he would give those lists some real teeth that they're currently lacking. Brenno's inclusion in the wild hunt instead of in secret masters is also just mind boggling. Oh yes please...loki in wild hunt would be so amazing... I feel like brenos was included in call because we ghetorix already has a theme and Loki does not seem right there. If we get another character heavy I think they will go there. Not saying Loki should be in Call but I am saying that Brennos feels much more at home in Masters than in Call. What other beast says blackcald beast more than Brennos? He casts spells damnit!
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Nov 14, 2017 4:22:26 GMT
Brickhouse should be in Heavy Metal...
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boozy
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Post by boozy on Nov 14, 2017 4:56:58 GMT
Brickhouse should be in Heavy Metal... Well, so too then Slayer, Cryx 'jacks at large, and practically every other warnoun in the game outside Protectorate.
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Post by welshhoppo on Nov 14, 2017 9:18:14 GMT
I'd just take the Khador Characters if half of them were any good.
At least we have Behemoth in Jaws, he's like the biggest benefit for actually taking that theme.
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Choco
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Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Nov 15, 2017 20:23:19 GMT
I just want more character jacks. My main faction has 2 (Mercs). If we had access to more characters I might have a stronger opinion on all of this.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 15, 2017 22:07:15 GMT
I'd take character jacks if I were actually allowed to take them.
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Choco
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Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Nov 15, 2017 22:30:51 GMT
I'd take character jacks if I were actually allowed to take them. Convergence?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Nov 16, 2017 7:50:35 GMT
Oh yes please...loki in wild hunt would be so amazing... I feel like brenos was included in call because we ghetorix already has a theme and Loki does not seem right there. If we get another character heavy I think they will go there. Not saying Loki should be in Call but I am saying that Brennos feels much more at home in Masters than in Call. What other beast says blackcald beast more than Brennos? He casts spells damnit! Um, technically all beasts cast spells as animi are classified as spells now...
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Post by jisidro on Nov 16, 2017 10:01:52 GMT
Not saying Loki should be in Call but I am saying that Brennos feels much more at home in Masters than in Call. What other beast says blackcald beast more than Brennos? He casts spells damnit! Um, technically all beasts cast spells as animi are classified as spells now...
Well... technically a brick isn't metal...
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Post by streetpizza on Nov 16, 2017 13:53:29 GMT
Not saying Loki should be in Call but I am saying that Brennos feels much more at home in Masters than in Call. What other beast says blackcald beast more than Brennos? He casts spells damnit! Um, technically all beasts cast spells as animi are classified as spells now... Bah you know what I meant *shakes and old man fist at you*
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cain
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Post by cain on Nov 16, 2017 15:17:00 GMT
From a cygnar viewpoint there is several character jacks i would like to take, but which thememachine makes it impossible if i want to build good competitive lists.
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Post by jisidro on Nov 16, 2017 16:21:21 GMT
Character jacks are hard... too good and available and they push out the regulars, too restricted and they won't see the table...
IMO they should be undercosted (within reason) but only available with the caster, should be seen as a "package". The ones without a bond in lists... problem is you can't change gears or you are left with OP jacks everywhere....
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 16, 2017 17:11:40 GMT
Ideally, I characters should bring something unique compared to their base versions. Combined with FA:C, they would not become auto- include next to their counterparts.
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Post by jisidro on Nov 16, 2017 17:17:13 GMT
Ideally, I characters should bring something unique compared to their base versions. Combined with FA:C, they would not become auto- include next to their counterparts.
Can you expand on that?
By FA:C you mean the theme restrictions?
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