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Post by Dorgren on Oct 3, 2017 13:13:15 GMT
It seems to me the hot topics right now are Maddy 1 and 2. I personally am not extremely fond of the Chief so I took to list building yesterday. The first list I was experimenting with an alternative to RFP dude spam or the traditional Gunny Brick. Here was my reasoning - Dozer has some great spot removal with range + explosivo
- Round 2 cycle explosivo between the bomber and Dozer or Gunny
- Gunny's Feat protects the RFP troops quite well on approach
- Could apply Explosivo to FC in a pinch for spray removal.
- Wave 1 Long riders impact attacks and RFP several models a turn and are harder to take down arm 18/20 +8 boxes
- Wave 2 2 units of Champs
Concerns: - Are champs and Riders self sufficient enough with FC to RFP enough models by themselves?
- After clashing are Bomber and Dozer enough to finish off the rest
Disclaimer: I have had 1 bad experience with Ghostfleet where a Calandra beast brick got chipped at untill there was nothing left. My first game with GF didnt know what to drop into it. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0a020resjq6G2Q0k0m6mj8bKcCj8___-0G7e0r0rjq6G0li-iZiZezez2Nj8bKTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Band of Heroes !!! Your army contains CID entries. (Gunnbjorn 1) Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dozer & Smigg [18] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Long Riders (max) [20] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] The Second army I though of was a Gris 2 that relies on several waves of alpha strikes. I had some success with this with a different caster a couple weeks ago. This list is intended to keep your opponent on their heels through multiple waves of high quality attacks. - Speed 9 Fire eaters hit hard and ensure an alpha. (in the last game i was able alpha hard) Jacklist had a hard time with the 6 models 2 survived through either last min tough or misses
- Bears either start as ambush or on the board depending on going first / second or how the board looks provides versatility
- Champs are wave 2/3 depending on where your bears are.
- Gris does what Gris does so well, KDs / threatens assassination as needed.
Concerns - How would this play into large model count armies?
- Enough models on the table?
- Managing speed vs Str buff
- Bears vs LR?
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North !!! Your army contains CID entries. (Grissel 2) Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels [+27] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] EDIT: updated Gunny List |
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Post by Trollock on Oct 3, 2017 13:29:57 GMT
I assume the Gunnbjorn list is made basically to "auto win" against ghost fleet. I guess the problem with this is that since you have so much tech against ghost fleet, the cryx player will just drop his other list. How well does Gunnbjorn play against Coven with all the banes? It might do OK if you use clever model placement and combine it with the rock wall. Even though the banes can move over it, they can not stand atop it, so they will be hard pressed to land enough attacks against the high DEF of the champions for it to be effective.
I would definitely drop one of the fell callers with Gunny and add Skaldi to one of the champions units. Overtake can actually be good against banes, and might not be irrelevant against ghost fleet either. Then one of your units become the "obvious" target for debuffing spells. You could minimize the kriel stone and add a sorcerer to that unit to help with this. Grissel has the same issue i think. She has one big juicy unit and you want to be able to remove crippling grasp from that probably.
I think both your lists will be better served by having a Feralgeist rather than swamp gobbers. He is really good for claiming a flag, rather than having a fell caller all the way up there.
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Post by Dorgren on Oct 3, 2017 13:37:32 GMT
Good Points. The problem in my local meta is that there is only one cryx player left and he rarely shows up. So My exp against Cryx is mostly from MK2 and from the last tournament I played in, which was at the pinnacle of ghost fleet. As for Feralgeist (still haven't added on to my army so he isn't on my mind alot of the time) i think ill add him to to my list of things to order along with the bears.
1 additional thought was being able to play into other Gunlines by neutering their gunlines and delivering high quality troops.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 3, 2017 17:25:01 GMT
I think you might be onto something. I should try these lists, especially since I was wondering exactly what to do with Grissel 2 right now. Do note something about the Fire Eaters in that list, especially on the alpha: Her feat is a pulse. If they are in her CTRL when she feats, they will have Reposition at the end of their activations even if they are no longer in the area. That really could matter.
I do like the Fell Callers to give them Pathfinder, and it's good to have a few solos for scenario regardless. If I were in a situation where I had 2 points left over but 60 points worth of units and only 2 solos, I would go with the Feralgeist too.
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Post by A-Mo on Oct 3, 2017 17:54:39 GMT
One of the event organizers in the my area has had alot of luck with a BoH Grissel list with double long riders. Between repo and hoof-it, a unit ends up 10" from what ever it just slammed. Once the CID changes go into effect, I might take this list for a spin. Round it out with a Sea or Montain King and Axer for some insane hard hitting threat ranges.
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Post by Trollock on Oct 3, 2017 19:33:22 GMT
One of the event organizers in the my area has had alot of luck with a BoH Grissel list with double long riders. Between repo and hoof-it, a unit ends up 10" from what ever it just slammed. Once the CID changes go into effect, I might take this list for a spin. Round it out with a Sea or Montain King and Axer for some insane hard hitting threat ranges. That is Grissel 1 though  |
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Post by A-Mo on Oct 3, 2017 19:43:57 GMT
Yup, got a bit distracted as I read through the thread. Just started thinking about non-Madrak BoH lists.
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Post by Dorgren on Oct 3, 2017 20:16:50 GMT
I for would love to hear other ideas. I tend to stray away from Gris 1 just for the fact i hate the sculpt i own and cant bring myself to pay for the ressculpt. These were just the 2 lists I was playing with because I like the models and have played the most games with them was trying to think of lists that would work that are not necessarily the lists I play now. Gunny out of a ranged beast brick. and Gris in the new SoN theme.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 3, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
One of the event organizers in the my area has had alot of luck with a BoH Grissel list with double long riders. Between repo and hoof-it, a unit ends up 10" from what ever it just slammed. Once the CID changes go into effect, I might take this list for a spin. Round it out with a Sea or Montain King and Axer for some insane hard hitting threat ranges. YES SOMEONE ELSE HAS TAKEN MY IDEA AND MADE IT WORK!! I have been trying to get my local troll player to use that interaction FOREVER haha  |
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Post by A-Mo on Oct 4, 2017 17:44:53 GMT
To be fair, part of the reason I haven't played any of Grissel 1 in MkIII is because she was my hands-down favorite caster in MkII. I was floored by the nerf treatment she got by PP. She wasn't dominating the tourney scene, or causing a stir on the forums, yet PP figured they better nerf the hell out of her anyways, lame. After playing around with other casters in the faction, I'm finally coming back around to the idea of taking her off the shelf.
Adding the Runebearer to BoH really helps her out, as she really wants to spend fury. If Long riders get better, all the better for her. I also think she's got game with PoD when the Basher and Brawler get released. I think she could play a beast heavy list, that skews heavily to melee.
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Post by mazog on Oct 4, 2017 18:13:40 GMT
To be fair, part of the reason I haven't played any of Grissel 1 in MkIII is because she was my hands-down favorite caster in MkII. I was floored by the nerf treatment she got by PP. She wasn't dominating the tourney scene, or causing a stir on the forums, yet PP figured they better nerf the hell out of her anyways, lame. After playing around with other casters in the faction, I'm finally coming back around to the idea of taking her off the shelf. Adding the Runebearer to BoH really helps her out, as she really wants to spend fury. If Long riders get better, all the better for her. I also think she's got game with PoD when the Basher and Brawler get released. I think she could play a beast heavy list, that skews heavily to melee. Go look at the silly threat range thread. She's the pilot. |
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Post by A-Mo on Oct 4, 2017 19:18:36 GMT
Yeah, I'm just not sold on Grissel being the "crazy threat range" caster in trolls. She can send a model downtown, but it seems like she wants everything to hit around the same time, when she can drop a calamity on something.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 4, 2017 21:42:28 GMT
Yeah, I'm just not sold on Grissel being the "crazy threat range" caster in trolls. She can send a model downtown, but it seems like she wants everything to hit around the same time, when she can drop a calamity on something. My own spin on it has just as much to do with buff stacking and focus fire as threat range. I had an idea for a much better fix for Grissel 1's feat than the brutal nerf. Instead of each call once, allow her to use each call until she runs out of targets, with no ability to stack both Ballad and Hoof It on the same target. She would still need range to the units and so forth. |
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