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Post by jisidro on Oct 1, 2017 23:00:26 GMT
Yes, he may become a legi merc caster and who knows? Perhaps already is...
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 2, 2017 10:35:53 GMT
This has probably already been said, but I am less inclined now to run anything other than just warjacks in Heavy Metal, I used to be able to fit in some Sword Knights and still get 3 free solos, Now the max I will do is maybe a unit of Mechaniks. I am not prepared to play with only 2 free solos in that theme, great job PP, much diversity!
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Post by jisidro on Oct 2, 2017 10:39:49 GMT
I get their approach of balancing the themes by juggling the number of points to get the benefits... but that seems unaffected by the other benefits of the list and a function what you can buy with those points.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 2, 2017 11:28:02 GMT
This has probably already been said, but I am less inclined now to run anything other than just warjacks in Heavy Metal, I used to be able to fit in some Sword Knights and still get 3 free solos, Now the max I will do is maybe a unit of Mechaniks. I am not prepared to play with only 2 free solos in that theme, great job PP, much diversity! I would be less sympathetic if they hadn’t of made all the cryx themes wild and wonderful. There was no reason to nerf things like HM and Oracles if they were just gonna give cryx more silly toys that are better than everyone else’s.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 2, 2017 11:37:25 GMT
This has probably already been said, but I am less inclined now to run anything other than just warjacks in Heavy Metal, I used to be able to fit in some Sword Knights and still get 3 free solos, Now the max I will do is maybe a unit of Mechaniks. I am not prepared to play with only 2 free solos in that theme, great job PP, much diversity! *Looks at everything but Oracles I was lucky and happy to get 2 free solos in a theme list...
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 2, 2017 11:38:41 GMT
This has probably already been said, but I am less inclined now to run anything other than just warjacks in Heavy Metal, I used to be able to fit in some Sword Knights and still get 3 free solos, Now the max I will do is maybe a unit of Mechaniks. I am not prepared to play with only 2 free solos in that theme, great job PP, much diversity! I would be less sympathetic if they hadn’t of made all the cryx themes wild and wonderful. There was no reason to nerf things like HM and Oracles if they were just gonna give cryx more silly toys that are better than everyone else’s. Yeah... I don't want to sound salty but it is frankly just stupid how good Cryx are now. I could just about build a list to cover Ghost Fleet and Dark Host, but now they have access to Black Industries its just an utter nightmare. I don't know why PP are incapable of balancing Cryx, I am losing what little faith I had left in the dev team.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 2, 2017 11:42:01 GMT
This has probably already been said, but I am less inclined now to run anything other than just warjacks in Heavy Metal, I used to be able to fit in some Sword Knights and still get 3 free solos, Now the max I will do is maybe a unit of Mechaniks. I am not prepared to play with only 2 free solos in that theme, great job PP, much diversity! *Looks at everything but Oracles I was lucky and happy to get 2 free solos in a theme list... I am prepared to play Gravediggers with only 2 free solos because of the other benefits it brings, and the well rounded list you can create, but Heavy Metal needs at least 3 slots to be worth taking, if you tried to build a mixed list in Heavy Metal you are left with Sword Knights that are ok, and Long Gunners and PKs which are utter dross.
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Post by Azuresun on Oct 2, 2017 12:38:48 GMT
They haven't been. They have the same number of themes, gained 2 casters, a slew of solos. They haven't seen new units yet but AFAIK they haven't had their CID turn either. They did however start behind the curve, and the design of different merc charters has existed since they became a full faction. Even then they're a faction of subfactions thats primary theme is that they are for hire from the larger powers in the game. Well, by "slew", there's been Colbie (like Dirty Meg, only slightly worse) and Ellish. The other new stuff for Mk3 came right at the start of the edition, and then the drought began. The point remains that if you look at what the other non-limited WM factions got in the same time, it's impossible to deny that Mercenaries have slipped a long way in terms of releases compared to the entire six years of Mk2. But wait, hold on, there's the announcement of these cool Llaelese / Ordic guys who....are going to be their own subfaction. It doesn't really bug me that much, since I've moved factions. If there's a minions-style flurry of releases, I might check back in. But you seem to think that if a faction goes from new stuff regularly to almost nothing with no announcement, then it's unreasonable to be annoyed by that.
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Post by W0lfBane on Oct 2, 2017 14:56:45 GMT
They haven't been. They have the same number of themes, gained 2 casters, a slew of solos. They haven't seen new units yet but AFAIK they haven't had their CID turn either. They did however start behind the curve, and the design of different merc charters has existed since they became a full faction. Even then they're a faction of subfactions thats primary theme is that they are for hire from the larger powers in the game. Well, by "slew", there's been Colbie (like Dirty Meg, only slightly worse) and Ellish. The other new stuff for Mk3 came right at the start of the edition, and then the drought began. The point remains that if you look at what the other non-limited WM factions got in the same time, it's impossible to deny that Mercenaries have slipped a long way in terms of releases compared to the entire six years of Mk2. But wait, hold on, there's the announcement of these cool Llaelese / Ordic guys who....are going to be their own subfaction. It doesn't really bug me that much, since I've moved factions. If there's a minions-style flurry of releases, I might check back in. But you seem to think that if a faction goes from new stuff regularly to almost nothing with no announcement, then it's unreasonable to be annoyed by that. I mean like protectorate is in the same boat. 2-4 new models when mrk3 released. And 1 new model combing out next month. Otger factions get drought periods too
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Post by SeBM on Oct 2, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
Getting new models is not always a good thing. Look at Retribution releases, few of theme see regular playtime despite the ammount of new models. I would say that the Spears and Hemera are the most commonly seen pieces in competitive lists.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 2, 2017 15:34:03 GMT
Getting new models is not always a good thing. Look at Retribution releases, few of theme see regular playtime despite the ammount of new models. I would say that the Spears and Hemera are the most commonly seen pieces in competitive lists. That has less to do with new releases being bad as much as people think "legacy models" are better mostly because they already own them. Nyssor Priest with Winter storm is pretty good, Aelyth is a pretty ballin combat solo, The ryssovas defenders may not seem better than sentinels, but precision strike on Weaponmasters is pretty deadly. I also know people that really like 4shade.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 2, 2017 15:56:06 GMT
Getting new models is not always a good thing. Look at Retribution releases, few of theme see regular playtime despite the ammount of new models. I would say that the Spears and Hemera are the most commonly seen pieces in competitive lists. That has less to do with new releases being bad as much as people think "legacy models" are better mostly because they already own them. Nyssor Priest with Winter storm is pretty good, Aelyth is a pretty ballin combat solo, The ryssovas defenders may not seem better than sentinels, but precision strike on Weaponmasters is pretty deadly. I also know people that really like 4shade. Units without a CA are always going to compare unfavorably to units who have a CA. The simple existence of a CA is 1-2 more powers and maybe a minifeat for a unit, which is enough to change the value of that unit entirely.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 2, 2017 16:13:26 GMT
I mean yeah UA's are a big factor but that does not mean the base units are bad releases or have bad rules.
I still think the Ret releases were all interesting options.
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Post by jisidro on Oct 2, 2017 16:26:51 GMT
The Ryssovass guys are odd in ret... they look pretty bad compared to Sentinels and seem to fill the same role... Is the sole factor in choosing one over the otehr the theme list?
Not a critique but an actual question to pointy eared guys/gals in white.
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Post by faelin on Oct 2, 2017 16:55:07 GMT
The Ryssovass guys are odd in ret... they look pretty bad compared to Sentinels and seem to fill the same role... Is the sole factor in choosing one over the otehr the theme list? Not a critique but an actual question to pointy eared guys/gals in white. They want a defense boost from something to be their best. And while they dont seem great, them + priest get work done. In my mind I consider the priest solo almost like an attachment for them. If I deploy the two together, I expect them to hold their own against sentinels
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