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Post by dychotomy on Sept 27, 2017 18:30:28 GMT
I think it would be neat to have a theme force that centers around Garluk Slaughterborn and the bloodgorgers. You know something that delves into the blighted trolls of Cryx. :-)
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Post by Trollock on Sept 27, 2017 18:57:12 GMT
Yo, where you getting this insider info. You some sorta Spy? Nah just one of the perks of being in the Kool Kids Klub. Seems like the Kool Kids Klub (or KKK for short ) does not like you. No themes in todays insider
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Post by A-Mo on Sept 27, 2017 19:09:49 GMT
I've got a team tourney coming up, with list due October 1st. Really hoping for some theme list love prior to then. Along the lines of what Arcaux said on pg.1, Band of Heros and Kriel Company need some serious attention!
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 27, 2017 20:44:13 GMT
Nah just one of the perks of being in the Kool Kids Klub. Seems like the Kool Kids Klub (or KKK for short ) does not like you. No themes in todays insider My understanding is there will either be a release or an update to go with the Livestream in 15. Also the full name is the Super Secret Kool Kids Klub (SS-KKK for short)
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 27, 2017 20:50:24 GMT
I've got a team tourney coming up, with list due October 1st. Really hoping for some theme list love prior to then. Along the lines of what Arcaux said on pg.1, Band of Heros and Kriel Company need some serious attention! I5? Yeah the list lock deadline is not conducive to testing out the new themes.
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Post by Sarcastastic on Sept 27, 2017 21:16:16 GMT
I definitely think our old themes need a fresh look, considering Kriel Company is the most restricted theme list currently out, no? Even SotT lost the ranged requirement on battlegroup.
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Post by mazog on Sept 27, 2017 21:17:36 GMT
Is the survey supposed to be how many we expect to get, or wish we would get? I expect zero, but I'm making tremendous efforts to not get salty about the... <salt filter failed, replacing and retrying...>
about the neat new themes that other factions are getting. They look great!
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Post by A-Mo on Sept 27, 2017 21:23:47 GMT
I've got a team tourney coming up, with list due October 1st. Really hoping for some theme list love prior to then. Along the lines of what Arcaux said on pg.1, Band of Heros and Kriel Company need some serious attention! I5? Yeah the list lock deadline is not conducive to testing out the new themes. Yeah, you going?
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 27, 2017 21:27:35 GMT
I5? Yeah the list lock deadline is not conducive to testing out the new themes. Yeah, you going? Yarp, team Thick and Firm will be coming up long with two other NorCal rosters.
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Post by chillychinaman on Sept 27, 2017 22:20:44 GMT
I definitely think our old themes need a fresh look, considering Kriel Company is the most restricted theme list currently out, no? Even SotT lost the ranged requirement on battlegroup. Not saying that Trolls don't deserve more/better themes but... Kriel Company: 11 Warbeast choices, including all 3 gargantuans and 2 non-character heavies 9 unit choices, 2 weapon crews, 4 solos, and your battle engine Children of the Dragon: 9 Warbeast choices, 2 of which are your only character heavies, and 3 of which are lessers 7 Unit choices, 1 weapon crew, 9 Solos Just so you know. Edit: INB4 Oracles gets brought up, 1 viable theme does not a faction make.
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 28, 2017 0:44:26 GMT
It seems my source was a liar and a charlatan, but the livestream gave us 2 timelines:
Themes this Friday unless something wacky happens.
Trolls CID in the next two weeks.
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Post by Sarcastastic on Sept 28, 2017 3:49:09 GMT
I definitely think our old themes need a fresh look, considering Kriel Company is the most restricted theme list currently out, no? Even SotT lost the ranged requirement on battlegroup. Not saying that Trolls don't deserve more/better themes but... Kriel Company: 11 Warbeast choices, including all 3 gargantuans and 2 non-character heavies 9 unit choices, 2 weapon crews, 4 solos, and your battle engine Children of the Dragon: 9 Warbeast choices, 2 of which are your only character heavies, and 3 of which are lessers 7 Unit choices, 1 weapon crew, 9 Solos Just so you know. Edit: INB4 Oracles gets brought up, 1 viable theme does not a faction make. That locks us out of all but the most expensive support options. We lose our shield guards, rush, cheap(ish) rage, earth's blessing, aka a huge chunk of both our defensive and offensive tech.
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Post by Trollock on Sept 28, 2017 5:47:25 GMT
I definitely think our old themes need a fresh look, considering Kriel Company is the most restricted theme list currently out, no? Even SotT lost the ranged requirement on battlegroup. Not saying that Trolls don't deserve more/better themes but... Kriel Company: 11 Warbeast choices, including all 3 gargantuans and 2 non-character heavies 9 unit choices, 2 weapon crews, 4 solos, and your battle engine Children of the Dragon: 9 Warbeast choices, 2 of which are your only character heavies, and 3 of which are lessers 7 Unit choices, 1 weapon crew, 9 Solos Just so you know. Edit: INB4 Oracles gets brought up, 1 viable theme does not a faction make. Two wrongs does not make a right
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 28, 2017 11:32:49 GMT
I definitely think our old themes need a fresh look, considering Kriel Company is the most restricted theme list currently out, no? Even SotT lost the ranged requirement on battlegroup. Not saying that Trolls don't deserve more/better themes but... Kriel Company: 11 Warbeast choices, including all 3 gargantuans and 2 non-character heavies 9 unit choices, 2 weapon crews, 4 solos, and your battle engine Children of the Dragon: 9 Warbeast choices, 2 of which are your only character heavies, and 3 of which are lessers 7 Unit choices, 1 weapon crew, 9 Solos Just so you know. Edit: INB4 Oracles gets brought up, 1 viable theme does not a faction make. Yeah that felt like a throwaway comment. There are lots of themes more restrictive than Kriel company. Look at Ghost Fleet for instance.
I would argue the main issue with Kriel company is that it isn't very good. It restricts you a lot and doesn't really give you anything in return. Troll shooting units are all a bit mediocre right now and we aren't getting bonuses on the same scale of Unyielding for all Nephalim or extra Recursion.
Kriel Company limits you in multiple ways and then gives us a weird line of sight bonus. If it wasn't literally the only way to take shooty infantry or the War Wagon in trolls it wouldn't even get a second thought.
Your point about CotD being way more restricted is correct, but I've seen what CotD and other restricted themes can do on the table and understand that the more limited themes should give bigger rewards. Does that make sense?
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Post by Sarcastastic on Sept 28, 2017 13:26:13 GMT
My other big issue is that most of the units you can take in Kriel Company all fill very similar niches. Highwaymen vs Scattergunners vs Sluggers are... really similar. If they were spread out among other themes for flavour reasons, they might avoid the direct comparison and it would feel better for me, but all in the same list, what's the point really? Yeah I understand 2 rng 8 shots is different from a Sp8, but they are ludicrously similar still.
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