Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 27, 2017 10:16:04 GMT
The Dutch had a Hellyna player who dropped out and the judges ruled he would auto-loose all games after they couldn't find replacement models. Not sure if those are in the statistics but I think they logically should be. I had a similar thought but he is recorded as having played Kaelyssa all three rounds on Sunday.
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Post by scarecrow on Sept 27, 2017 13:06:01 GMT
The surprising thing to me is that Grymkin did second best looking at faction win rate next to Cryx and they didn't even have all their models released yet. How powerful will they be when they can run both theme forces equally well?
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 27, 2017 13:13:54 GMT
The surprising thing to me is that Grymkin did second best looking at faction win rate next to Cryx and they didn't even have all their models released yet. How powerful will they be when they can run both theme forces equally well? Bump in the night is actually pretty terrifying with the right caster. Also, all the gymkin models are available right?
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adory
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Post by adory on Sept 27, 2017 13:15:49 GMT
The surprising thing to me is that Grymkin did second best looking at faction win rate next to Cryx and they didn't even have all their models released yet. How powerful will they be when they can run both theme forces equally well? Bump in the night is actually pretty terrifying with the right caster. Also, all the gymkin models are available right? at the time of the WTC they were missing at minimum Old witch and the murder crows
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SeBM
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Post by SeBM on Sept 27, 2017 13:42:02 GMT
Weird, I would've thought that a FoW Helynna list would handle Nemo 3. Was she being played out of theme? Player in question was me (Team Swiss Chocolate) Vs Team Canada Moose. It was Round 6. I weathered his feat turn well (only lost 1 griffon, half a manticore and 2/3ds of Hyperion without using feat) and had a decent counterpunch, but my heavies had issues hitting Def 13 and a Lancer went in on Hyperion to Shieldbash out his remaining Cortexboxes on my featturn. Lost on Scenario/Attrition in the end. Overall I think I was favored, but a few bad dice and a very good opponent resulted in the loss. Thanks for your input!
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Post by trollsareblue on Sept 27, 2017 13:42:15 GMT
The surprising thing to me is that Grymkin did second best looking at faction win rate next to Cryx and they didn't even have all their models released yet. How powerful will they be when they can run both theme forces equally well? I expect the win rate will normalize once people get used to playing against them.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 27, 2017 13:51:21 GMT
The surprising thing to me is that Grymkin did second best looking at faction win rate next to Cryx and they didn't even have all their models released yet. How powerful will they be when they can run both theme forces equally well? I expect the win rate will normalize once people get used to playing against them. Pretty much. I think a lot of it is arcana causing "Gotcha" moments that cost players the game. Once people adjust to arcana they will start taking down grymkin a lot more often.
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SeBM
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Post by SeBM on Sept 27, 2017 13:55:32 GMT
I'm not so sure Grymkin will take a significant drop. Their arcanas require you to play around certain conditions and it is not easy. They also have pretty significant threat ranges and can easily clear infantry swarms and deal with high armor. They are very well rounded and it is easy to start forgetting about their arcanas when you also have to deal with the Grymkin army about to crash in your face.
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Post by scarecrow on Sept 27, 2017 14:02:23 GMT
I expect the win rate will normalize once people get used to playing against them. Pretty much. I think a lot of it is arcana causing "Gotcha" moments that cost players the game. Once people adjust to arcana they will start taking down grymkin a lot more often. Besides avoiding triggering Sacrifice, there are some Arcana that are simply powerful no matter what. Labyrinth, Ruin, and Pandemonium aren't really ones that can be avoided and can have huge implications on the outcome of your turn. Additionally, being a limited release faction actually helps their power level I think. Since PP was obligated to give them tools to deal with a variety of problems and by virtue of having less models to choose from, those tools are more often than not found together. Lists can be made that ask a variety of questions and/or provide a variety of answers, which is powerful in a tournament list pair. Are there glaring holes in my thinking that I'm missing? This is admittedly all anecdotal.
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WTC Stats
Sept 27, 2017 14:40:34 GMT
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Post by Deadneck on Sept 27, 2017 14:40:34 GMT
Pretty much. I think a lot of it is arcana causing "Gotcha" moments that cost players the game. Once people adjust to arcana they will start taking down grymkin a lot more often. Besides avoiding triggering Sacrifice, there are some Arcana that are simply powerful no matter what. Labyrinth, Ruin, and Pandemonium aren't really ones that can be avoided and can have huge implications on the outcome of your turn. Additionally, being a limited release faction actually helps their power level I think. Since PP was obligated to give them tools to deal with a variety of problems and by virtue of having less models to choose from, those tools are more often than not found together. Lists can be made that ask a variety of questions and/or provide a variety of answers, which is powerful in a tournament list pair. Are there glaring holes in my thinking that I'm missing? This is admittedly all anecdotal. I think you've got it pretty mu ch right. Grymkin aren't too powerful, it's just their power is too concentrated by necessity of being a small faction.
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Post by ziggyqubert on Sept 27, 2017 18:05:21 GMT
For anyone wanting an interactive version of the stats, all the WTC 2017 games are now in the battle reporter (apologies to spikevash13 if were stepping on your toes) WTC Stats can be viewed here - Main Event Page - Full breakdown of games, rounds, as well as casters and factions played and an overall view of the event Details Page - Drills down into various stats and comparisons, can be segmented by faction caster etc... Note: Control Points and army points destroyed will be input later, when/if the WTC committee published the full results
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Post by spikevash13 on Sept 27, 2017 19:51:52 GMT
no problem at all I just do this and can do it quickly. if anything a prettier version is always nice
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 28, 2017 0:05:04 GMT
For anyone wanting an interactive version of the stats, all the WTC 2017 games are now in the battle reporter (apologies to spikevash13 if were stepping on your toes) WTC Stats can be viewed here - Main Event Page - Full breakdown of games, rounds, as well as casters and factions played and an overall view of the event Details Page - Drills down into various stats and comparisons, can be segmented by faction caster etc... Note: Control Points and army points destroyed will be input later, when/if the WTC committee published the full results This is very helpful, thanks. I find it much easier to read the charts than a spreadsheet.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 29, 2017 14:20:55 GMT
Win% on individual caster v caster. Only matches with 5+ games are here.
Caster v Caster / Games / Results / Win% Butcher 3 - Deneghra 1 / 5 /0 /0%
Coven 1 - Issyria 1 /9 /8 /89%
Coven 1 - Severius 2 /7 /5 /71%
Coven 1 - Wurmwood 1 /8 /8 /100%
Deneghra 1 - Issyria 1 /5 /4 /80%
Haley 2 - Karchev 1 /5 /1 /20%
Haley 2 - Stryker 1 /5 /3 /60%
Haley 2 - Vladimir 1 /7 /6 /86%
Issyria 1 - Deneghra 1 /5 /1 /20%
Nemo 3 - Ossrum 1 /6 /2 /33%
Wasn't expecting Karchev to go 80% against Haley2... Domination and Disruption on hit isn't enough.
Seems like Denny and Coven do especially well into the strong casters. who knew that's a good thing?
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Post by jisidro on Sept 29, 2017 14:49:31 GMT
And now caster v faction:
Caster that were droped in 5+ games against cryx and how they did...
Caster v Faction / Games / Results / Win% Asphyxious 1 - Cryx / 9 / 3 / 33% Axis 1 - Cryx / 11 / 4 / 36% Butcher 3 - Cryx / 8 / 2 / 25% Coven 1 - Cryx / 7 / 4 / 57% Deneghra 1 - Cryx / 18 / 10 / 56% Deneghra 2 - Cryx / 6 / 2 / 33% Haley 2 - Cryx / 6 / 1 / 17% Issyria 1 - Cryx / 20 / 3 / 15% Nemo 3 - Cryx / 8 / 4 / 50% Ossrum 1 - Cryx / 6 / 2 / 33% Severius 2 - Cryx / 9 / 2 / 22% Vladimir 1 - Cryx / 8 / 3 / 38% Wurmwood 1 - Cryx / 15 / 0 / 0%
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