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Post by utilitycookie on Oct 18, 2017 19:22:34 GMT
Too much words wasted on a ruling for a non final spot. (No top 3)
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Post by jisidro on Oct 19, 2017 8:46:29 GMT
Too much words wasted on a ruling for a non final spot. (No top 3)
Honest question here...
Why does top 3 matter? In swiss pairings over 16 you have more than 3 players with no loses (the winner) and 1 loss only (X-1)... Why look at top 3?
In this instance, the WTC, there are 6 teams with 5 victories who did the same.
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Post by utilitycookie on Oct 20, 2017 15:45:07 GMT
Too much words wasted on a ruling for a non final spot. (No top 3)
Honest question here...
Why does top 3 matter? In swiss pairings over 16 you have more than 3 players with no loses (the winner) and 1 loss only (X-1)... Why look at top 3?
In this instance, the WTC, there are 6 teams with 5 victories who did the same.
You are correct, I should rephrase. It's not about first place so why bother?
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Post by Aegis on Oct 20, 2017 15:59:57 GMT
Honest question here...
Why does top 3 matter? In swiss pairings over 16 you have more than 3 players with no loses (the winner) and 1 loss only (X-1)... Why look at top 3?
In this instance, the WTC, there are 6 teams with 5 victories who did the same.
You are correct, I should rephrase. It's not about first place so why bother? A common argument on discussion, often between american people and european people (but not necessarily. Both kind of mindsets are present in both "worlds", but often the "first or doesn't matter" is more common in US). Some people care only for the first place, others care for the placement in the ladder. Even being at the bottom or barely over it is different for those people. There are people that just want to win and would consider a 2° placement un-important, other that just want to do the best they can and see how far they manage to arrive. For the second kind of people, being 4th or 10th (that is probably what we are talking here, or something similar) is very different, and in general they want to be placed exactly where they think they earned to be. Being "robbed" of a game, even one that wouldn't matter for 1st position, is very frustrating for those people, and so the polemic.
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Post by jisidro on Oct 20, 2017 16:29:33 GMT
You are correct, I should rephrase. It's not about first place so why bother? A common argument on discussion, often between american people and european people (but not necessarily. Both kind of mindsets are present in both "worlds", but often the "first or doesn't matter" is more common in US). Some people care only for the first place, others care for the placement in the ladder. Even being at the bottom or barely over it is different for those people. There are people that just want to win and would consider a 2° placement un-important, other that just want to do the best they can and see how far they manage to arrive. For the second kind of people, being 4th or 10th (that is probably what we are talking here, or something similar) is very different, and in general they want to be placed exactly where they think they earned to be. Being "robbed" of a game, even one that wouldn't matter for 1st position, is very frustrating for those people, and so the polemic. It's one thing to consider 2nd place the first of the last and another to disregard relevant info on what players/teams with proven results did. Even if winning is the only thing disregarding everyone but top place is intelectually dishonest.
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Oct 20, 2017 17:07:01 GMT
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Post by wishing on Oct 20, 2017 17:07:01 GMT
Well, to me it doesn't seem to be about placement. But about issues of trust and integrity.
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Post by Aegis on Oct 20, 2017 17:34:26 GMT
Well, to me it doesn't seem to be about placement. But about issues of trust and integrity. Sure, the main argument is that "it is not fair", and the main source of concern is that a lot of people think that the Head Judge decision was wrong and are worried about it setting a precedent if not corrected. I was just replying to the question "It's not the 1st place so why bother?". The answer is that not everyone is concerned only by the 1st place and disregards anything else.
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Post by utilitycookie on Oct 20, 2017 21:02:51 GMT
I agree, the Ruling should be fair and correct. My point being that it's a irrelevant positioning in my opinion (not first place, and opinions vary I know, just stating mine) and they should just suck it up. A lot of sports have had similiar situations, accept the ruling and move on.
A final ruling had been made, nod "yes sensei" and move on. Come back next year, book a day extra and claim the rematch. Nothing more they can do, any extra comments just makes them look whiny.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Oct 20, 2017 23:38:19 GMT
Well, to me it doesn't seem to be about placement. But about issues of trust and integrity. Im not accusing you of anything but I just had a flashback to the phrase "this is about ethics in video game journalism" Also, if you're not first, you're last.
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