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Post by spikevash13 on Sept 25, 2017 19:03:39 GMT
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 25, 2017 19:06:28 GMT
Very surprised with How much circle lost to cryx...never though those match ups would be that bad but dark host must be horrible for us.
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Post by pangurban on Sept 25, 2017 19:18:38 GMT
Two Ret casters in the bottom five, with Helynna worst by a proverbial mile. Three Legion casters in the bottom ten. Does that say something about the data/event, or about these casters/factions? I would argue in the case of Helyna that it may show an issue with her. As for legion, its the same old same old, oracles wins and anything that isn't oracles is mediocre. Ret is a pretty strong faction so I do not think the faction as a whole has issues. What concerns me more is just how much Cryx is stomping the meta. It is a crazy gap. The casters in question aren't the worst in the game, or they wouldn't show up at the WTC in the first place. That said: 3 Legion in the bottom 15, 3 Retribution in the bottom 15, 3 Protectorate in the bottom 16, and casters like Sevvy2 and Kaelyssa in the bottom of the rankings? To me that says there are factors at play beyond just games played. Quality of some of the players who chose these factions maybe, team tactics almost certainly.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 25, 2017 19:22:44 GMT
Legion loses most against Cryx, Khadorm, and Mercs? I expect Khador. Byt Cryx and Mercs?!? Or is this a case of tech'ing too much for other things and not being able to handle the non-standard?
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Post by jisidro on Sept 25, 2017 19:40:59 GMT
Grymkin destroyed Cygnar and Ret... Guess Crabitts and Sacrifice work?
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Post by Aegis on Sept 25, 2017 19:45:47 GMT
Grymkin destroyed Cygnar and Ret... Guess Crabitts and Sacrifice work? Cygnar performed pretty averangely in general (actually, slightly on the bad side). They got also destroyed by Cryx that once were their natural preys. Anyway, I'm happy about it. Maybe now people will stop complaining or being preventively against any buff to bad Cygnar models just because "Cygnar is already great so you can't buff anything, even the worst things".
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Post by flamigant on Sept 25, 2017 19:47:36 GMT
Hey PP are you guys even getting this? I mean they have got to know Cryx is a major problem atm and I hope they are working on a solution. The Sev2 thing surprised me most but it is mostly because of CM theme and no scenario presence.
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Post by marke on Sept 25, 2017 19:56:13 GMT
What concerns me more is just how much Cryx is stomping the meta. It is a crazy gap. PP needs to push SR into a direction where there are other ways to win than through attrition. This would ask attrition armies a question, and encourage wider model use/design. IMO.
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Post by sand20go on Sept 25, 2017 20:06:52 GMT
Three observations/reminders.
First, it is a TEAM event and that creates some weird dynamics. One of those is that skews tend to be even more skewy because through skilled team captaintry you can avoid the worst match ups (or take one for the team).
Second, if I were PP I would be concerned with Coven and Denny1 dominating so much.
Three - if you play khador I think you can clearly see the lack of magical weapons being a problem, with awful stats into Cryx and fairly mediocre into Grymkin. If incorporeal is going to be a thing it would be nice for all of us to have ready access to answers.
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Sept 25, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 25, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
Are you the guy that also does the breakdown of "hhow likely bringing this faction would be to bring you a win" I've seen this previous years and i find it very useful
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Post by Aegis on Sept 25, 2017 20:40:11 GMT
Deleted some clearly flamebait comments by a "Guest".
It should go unsaid that if people start to abuse the "Guest" system to make "anonymus" flaming posts, we will just get rid of the Guest system, for everyone loss.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Sept 25, 2017 20:57:40 GMT
Deleted some clearly flamebait comments by a "Guest".
It should go unsaid that if people start to abuse the "Guest" system to make "anonymus" flaming posts, we will just get rid of the Guest system, for everyone loss.
Abuse is only abuse if you get all hurt about it that is untrue and stupid
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Post by Mergar on Sept 25, 2017 21:42:07 GMT
Just wanted to quickly chime in about Helynna, as she is one of my favorite Casterd: I played her 3 times this weekend. Once Makeda1 was left on 4 boxes, once Amon toughed and once I lost Vs Nemo3 because of a Lancer Cortexdamaging Hyperion. All 3 games were very much winnable and interesting (shoutout to my very kind and enjoyable opponents). I can't speak for the other losses, but please don't start a flamewar about this, she is fine As for Cryx, while this was a team event which is imo in favour of this faction, the record is still way, way too strong. I hope we can find some reasonable changes to restore the balance, starting with the themes that will drop soon.
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Post by welshhoppo on Sept 25, 2017 21:51:13 GMT
The fact that Cryx did so well despite the fact people were teching for Cryx either means that everyone at the WTC sucks at teching or that Cryx can't be properly teched against.
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Sept 25, 2017 22:26:17 GMT
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Post by Nyxu on Sept 25, 2017 22:26:17 GMT
Alternatively, the tech to cryx was "we don't need to beat cryx if we beat everyone else" Send the person with no good matchup to fight cryx, essentially. This is entirely speculation and has a similar takeaway: if the tech vs cryx in a team event is to lose to cryx and beat everyone else, then there's a problem.
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