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Post by Trollock on Sept 19, 2017 11:50:24 GMT
The last post I made on this subject was a bit disparaging, and I figured I'd try and make up for it a bit. I really do hope that the 8 brave players who brought Trollbloods to the WTC will do well. I am from Sweden, and of course i do support them a bit extra, but I know for a fact that two players on Sweden Svealand have recently abandoned the Trollblood faction in favor of CoC and Menoth respectively. Therefore some of my support moves over from the Swedes to the Trollbloods in general. Really hope you guys will preform well (even though many of you decided to bring crappy lists! ), and if you do not, please try and make the faction look unplayable so we can get errata buffs, ok?
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 19, 2017 12:29:50 GMT
Yes, forget national pride.
Let's have the lowest win percentage of any faction at WTC ;-)
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 19, 2017 12:33:34 GMT
Hahaha, yes Trollock. Maybe if we show PP how the upper tiered players have abandoned Trolls, we'll get a Skorne-like overhaul. I was shocked too, when I heard we only have 8 representing Trolls in the WTC. At least we are more represented than Minions, lol. The top three factions being Cygnar, Cryx and Khador were of no surprise though. It amazes me how 2 themes can make Cryx go from lower tier to top in such a short time. At least I have Retribution to fall back on until November release rolls around. For those that haven't heard about the WTC stats, check out Chain Attack podcast. It's great to listen to while assembling/painting. Arcuax; I'm an American, but I have rooted for Australia in the past, because they have supported Retribution. I think it helps breakdown borders when you can all agree to cheer for a faction, rather than your country.
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 19, 2017 12:46:51 GMT
It amazes me how 2 themes can make Cryx go from lower tier to top in such a short time. At least I have Retribution to fall back on until November release rolls around. That's the thing though. Cryx were never a lower tier faction.
Sure, very few people were playing them, but they were winning a decent share of tournaments, despite that low player base. In fact most Cryx players agreed that even pre themes, Denny1 and Coven were top tier casters.
Cryx got buffed because of perception not reality.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 19, 2017 12:48:53 GMT
True. I guess my misunderstanding comes from the win percentage not being as high as it was, haha.
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Post by A-Mo on Sept 19, 2017 15:46:23 GMT
In addition to a hearty GOOD LUCK!, I really hope Troll WTC'ers will share some good stories after the event!
Would love to hear some insight.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 19, 2017 15:53:36 GMT
Yes, forget national pride. Let's have the lowest win percentage of any faction at WTC ;-) Easily. And to be blunt, I think that most of those lists just aren't good at all, even considering what we have to work with. It is possible that they are made for very specific purposes that I just haven't figured out or that those particular players do some clever thing that they play much better than most would, but about a dozen of those lists make no sense to me at all.
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Post by albertairish on Sept 19, 2017 15:55:39 GMT
It amazes me how 2 themes can make Cryx go from lower tier to top in such a short time. At least I have Retribution to fall back on until November release rolls around. That's the thing though. Cryx were never a lower tier faction.
Sure, very few people were playing them, but they were winning a decent share of tournaments, despite that low player base. In fact most Cryx players agreed that even pre themes, Denny1 and Coven were top tier casters.
Cryx got buffed because of perception not reality.
And Trollbloods got nerfed for the same reason. eMadrak had a terrible win at last year's WTC and yet still got nerfed.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 19, 2017 19:56:54 GMT
It amazes me how 2 themes can make Cryx go from lower tier to top in such a short time. At least I have Retribution to fall back on until November release rolls around. That's the thing though. Cryx were never a lower tier faction.
Sure, very few people were playing them, but they were winning a decent share of tournaments, despite that low player base. In fact most Cryx players agreed that even pre themes, Denny1 and Coven were top tier casters.
Cryx got buffed because of perception not reality.
I am happy I am not the only person that thinks this Talking to some of the cryx players on here you would think the faction is garbage without their themes :/
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Post by Trollock on Sept 19, 2017 20:11:13 GMT
Every faction is basically garbage without themes
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 20, 2017 4:20:15 GMT
It amazes me how 2 themes can make Cryx go from lower tier to top in such a short time. At least I have Retribution to fall back on until November release rolls around. That's the thing though. Cryx were never a lower tier faction.
Sure, very few people were playing them, but they were winning a decent share of tournaments, despite that low player base. In fact most Cryx players agreed that even pre themes, Denny1 and Coven were top tier casters.
Cryx got buffed because of perception not reality.
I think that a significant and vocal minority actually does think that Cryx and Cygnar are literally supposed to be stronger than the other factions, though they, of course, would never admit that.
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Post by joedj on Sept 20, 2017 6:33:38 GMT
Theme Benefit:WJs w/ Carapace and free 7 pt warjack(s)? Nah, that's not advantaged (full disclosure: I own Cryx and plan on running Mortenebra with that Theme regardless )
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 20, 2017 8:04:47 GMT
Theme Benefit:WJs w/ Carapace and free 7 pt warjack(s)? Nah, that's not advantaged (full disclosure: I own Cryx and plan on running Mortenebra with that Theme regardless ) You should absolutely play the things that give you the best chance of winning.
It is not your job as a player to balance the game. It's your job to exploit imbalances in the game to gain an advantage.
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Post by joedj on Sept 20, 2017 18:00:09 GMT
Theme Benefit:WJs w/ Carapace and free 7 pt warjack(s)? Nah, that's not advantaged (full disclosure: I own Cryx and plan on running Mortenebra with that Theme regardless ) You should absolutely play the things that give you the best chance of winning.
It is not your job as a player to balance the game. It's your job to exploit imbalances in the game to gain an advantage.
If winning is my sole goal. But more often, I am building/maintaining a venue of friendly game players, or striving to! Selfishly, it keeps me from having to drive significantly out of my community to play a game I enjoy, with folks I like. Readily balanced choices in a game aids in that.
I don't have to win every game. I do have to compete with whatever tools I have to enjoy it though. Excessively advantaged Themes/armies, in our venue, usually lead to reductions in attendance.
Apparently from WTC choices, TBs don't appear 'advantaged'
/end unrelated to thread note
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Post by chgros on Sept 21, 2017 7:57:47 GMT
I will be there to see how we perform ( one hour from my house so .... i need to see this !)
Go FRANCE Go !
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