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Post by wseraphim on Apr 2, 2017 21:26:21 GMT
Played 2 games. Lack of pathfinder on battlegroup - hurts. Slayer's inability to kill ARM19 heavy without mortality and terminal velocity - hurts. Deadweight - OP, works much better than feat. ILO Seether - super OP, killed 2 full Ironclads in a single activation. Carrions - can't use their full unit CA on charge against large base. Can't prevent heavies from trample and so cannot hold them. Maybe, i'll drop them and switch slayer or two for desecrators. Their pathfinder seems nice, but max 11'' threat is totally victim and crit shred is unreliable(but with exceptional luck it can kill beasts for a single focus).
First game played against Carver - bad match-up because of no infantry in list, mobility and +3 ARM buff.
No targets for deadweight, Warhogs with primal, mobility and carver's feat just trample through forests and kill what they want.
Second game - Stryker3 Storm Division:
Venethrax just turns into mortality spammer. And his feat even seems even better against warmachine factions than hordes.
Mortality + Dark Fire + Wraithlock pistols deal quite good damage to Storm Lances
Mortality allowed to simply ignore Stormblade Infantry Iron Zeal for Deadweight, killing grunt on 4+
Lamentation did really nothing during both games, cause opponent can easily lay buffs out of my 14'' control area.
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Post by citadel on Apr 4, 2017 14:51:03 GMT
Curious as to how the slayers preformed? |
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 4, 2017 15:31:08 GMT
listened to 'Chasing the Dragonfather' podcast the other day, they mentioned taking a free Iron Lich Overseer and marshalling a Seether.
With Crush, Aggressive, and Dark Shroud he gets 3 x p&s 21 attacks, one with a boosted damage roll, and a p&S 16.
This can further be enhanced by an empower from a Warwitch Siren, and any of Cryx's other arm debuffs (barring scything touch)
Plus the Seether can have stealth on the approach, and you probably much some Brute thralls in the theme to protect him as well.
One other piece of jank they mentioned was running a thrall next to your target, killing the thrall with the Tusks and then beserking with the claw onto the target for an extra 5 damage.
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Post by kuarnix on Apr 5, 2017 6:23:35 GMT
I played this list:
Denny3
-Skarlock
-Inflictor
-Nightmare
-Helldiver (why!?)
-Stalker
-Scavenger
-Nightwretch
Pistol Wraith (free!)
Siren
5 Soulhunters
10 Mechanithralls + Skarlock Commander
2x Soul Trappers
So, FYI, turns out Mechanithralls are pretty good when they ambush. You can bait models out with the flanking light 'jacks.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 5, 2017 6:33:50 GMT
Why not drop the Commander, make the Mechanithralls into a minimum unit and add a Brute squad? The Brutes can actually do some work on their own. Actually, either leave the Commander in, and add a Soul Trapper, or leave the unit at max, doesn't that make the Siren free? Actually, just adding the Brutes makes the Siren free: conflictchamber.com/#b41b_-0weZ1cd-1x1f3b1h2A2tf0f02B1E1KdQ26Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Infernal Machines !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Deneghra 3) Deneghra, the Soul Weaver [+27] - Helldiver [6] - Inflictor [13] - Nightmare [18] - Nightwretch [7] - Scavenger [7] - Stalker [8] - Skarlock Thrall [4] Pistol Wraith [0] Soul Trapper [1] Soul Trapper [1] Warwitch Siren [0] Mechanithralls (max) [10] - Brute Thrall (3) [6] - Skarlock Commander [3] Soulhunters (max) [18] |
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Post by kuarnix on Apr 5, 2017 7:03:52 GMT
Good point. The commander is in because he's a soul collecting model. Also I just painted it. But mainly, I can run him to collect souls within 2", or dark fire with back arc. But I didn't realize I could literally add two brutes for free! Where are the points for the third one from? Oh I see, the machine wraith. No, it's too valuable as a threat extender, scenario piece, and general nuisance.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 5, 2017 7:29:53 GMT
I don't see a Machine Wraith in your list though, unless I'm really blind. But I agree that a Machine Wraith instead of the third brute is probably better.
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Post by wseraphim on Apr 5, 2017 7:58:23 GMT
Curious as to how the slayers preformed? something between "guy who dies first" and breaking 0,5 cygnar heavy |
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Post by kuarnix on Apr 5, 2017 8:04:23 GMT
I don't see a Machine Wraith in your list though, unless I'm really blind. But I agree that a Machine Wraith instead of the third brute is probably better. ...oops, my bad again. It's two points under without the wraith. |
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Post by krawat on Apr 5, 2017 8:19:32 GMT
My take on IF. Infernal Machines Witch Coven - Inflictor - 13 - Stalker - 8 - Deathripper - 6 - Deathripper - 6 Iron Lich Overseer + Seether Iron Lich Overseer + Seether Soulhunters Max Mechanitrals Min (ambush) - Brute Thrall - 3 Carrion Thralls Machine Wraith Not sure about Soulhunters/MachineWraith/Carrion Thralls package and even Stalker so I got up to 38 pkts to go. Maybe more seethers  . K. |
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Post by wseraphim on Apr 5, 2017 8:28:40 GMT
Soulhunters work perfect: they reliably hit on charge, do significant damage, has 14'' threat, block LOS to everything except huge bases and have 14 def + incorporeal to survive.
typically i have 1-2 horses survive till the end of game and they usually do smth tricky like activate -> incorporeal -> charge enemy caster -> win the game
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Post by far2casual on Apr 5, 2017 8:38:44 GMT
I had a similar Denny3 list in my mind :
I want to try the double Leviathan thing with Denny3, feels like for one Soul they will erase one heavy per round 18" away. Not a fan of Nightmare with any of the Dennys, I'll just take the free ILO and make the 13 pts Seether strike almost as hard without needing any help.
Between the Trappers, the ILO, the Commander and the WSC I feel like I have more than enough Soul Collection available, so I might just switch the free Pistol Wraith for a Siren to make the Seether able to one-round a Khador jack.
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Post by wseraphim on Apr 5, 2017 9:06:45 GMT
Gonna try next time a very similar list conflictchamber.com/#b41b_-0weZ191s1x0t3h1u2tf0f01D1K1F2525Cryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Infernal Machines !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Deneghra 3) Deneghra, the Soul Weaver [+27] - Deathripper [6] - Leviathan [16] - Nightmare [18] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Iron Lich Overseer [0] - Seether [13] Pistol Wraith [0] Soul Trapper [1] Soul Trapper [1] Mechanithralls (min) [6] - Brute Thrall (3) [6] Necrosurgeon & Stitch Thralls [4] Soulhunters (min) [11] Soulhunters (min) [11] Leviathan looks way better then slayer, dealing quite same damage in meele, but capable to leal ~12 dmg to 21 arm at range. Not sure about Necrosurgeon, but i need to 4 pts in thralls to get free pistol wraith. At least he can heal Negra and revive a couple of McThralls, and he is a 4 body unit. Another option - bloat thrall. it will bring some extra anti-infantry tech(that works even for Irusk2 immune-to-everything troops), but this makes mcTralls low on bodies mean seether could have hard time to find a victim for his tusk attack. WWS are not necessary with Negra3, because she can fully fuel ILO Seether for just one sole on feat turn, or if she manage to steal any. |
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Post by far2casual on Apr 5, 2017 9:16:50 GMT
WWS are not necessary with Negra3, because she can fully fuel ILO Seether for just one sole on feat turn, or if she manage to steal any. Nah, it's limited to Denny's battlegroup. |
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Post by wseraphim on Apr 5, 2017 9:26:18 GMT
Nah, it's limited to Denny's battlegroup. Hmm, battlecollege lies! |
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