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Post by babadook on Sept 5, 2017 8:06:22 GMT
Hi guys,
I am about to go to a tournament on the weekend and a really strong Circle has just confirmed he is coming. My goal was to just get a feel for Legion and fool around a bit during my first games with Legion, but now my ambition is triggered. I do not want him to win the tournament as he has won basically every local tournament he went to this year...
His pairing is Baldur2 in Orboros and Una2 in Devourer
(Baldur 2) Baldur the Stonesoul [+30]
- Megalith [20]
- Woldwrath [37]
- Woldwyrd [9]
- Woldwyrd [9]
- Woldwyrd [9]
Blackclad Stoneshaper [0(3)]
Blackclad Stoneshaper [0(3)]
Blackclad Stoneshaper [3]
Blackclad Wayfarer [0(4)]
Gallows Grove [2]
Sentry Stone & Mannikins [5]
Sentry Stone & Mannikins [5]
Shifting Stones [3]
Shifting Stones [3]
(Una 2) Una the Skyhunter [+29]
- Feral Warpwolf [18]
- Razorwing Griffon [7]
- Scarsfell Griffon [8]
- Scarsfell Griffon [8]
- Scarsfell Griffon [8]
- Scarsfell Griffon [8]
- Scarsfell Griffon [8]
Gallows Grove [2]
Tharn Ravager Shaman [0(5)]
Shifting Stones [3]
Tharn Bloodtrackers (max) [16]
Tharn Wolf Riders (max) [18]
I am pretty certain, that he will be droping B2 with the big one and I am looking for a list to beat him! Would love to get some help from you guys. Do you think there is away around Abby2? I am personally not a huge fan of her. What would you drop into this pairing?
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Post by cainuslupus on Sept 5, 2017 10:07:07 GMT
Hi guys, I am about to go to a tournament on the weekend and a really strong Circle has just confirmed he is coming. My goal was to just get a feel for Legion and fool around a bit during my first games with Legion, but now my ambition is triggered. I do not want him to win the tournament as he has won basically every local tournament he went to this year... His pairing is Baldur2 in Orboros and Una2 in Devourer(...) I am pretty certain, that he will be droping B2 with the big one and I am looking for a list to beat him! Would love to get some help from you guys. Do you think there is away around Abby2? I am personally not a huge fan of her. What would you drop into this pairing? I would drop Abby2 or Fyanna2 with Lylyth3 as second list. Lylyth3 makes sure he won't drop Una2.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 5, 2017 14:23:03 GMT
If you are new to Legion, don't expect to stomp a tournament vet whose running his main faction.
The above meta for meta's sake recommendation has nothing to do with actually teching against Circle.
Saeryn's feat would squash the hopes and dreams of the griffon spam. Whatever you take against Baldur 2 is going to need 1 if not 2 (for redundant back up) Naga's. Bolt throwers would also catch out the birds under Lylyth 2. Kryssa with some blessed warlords and Azrael could drop a ton of damage on even the wolwrath. (Under feat with blessed: warlords do 16 each, precision. Azrael does 20. That's 52/58) Abby 2 does give the speed and mat buff necessary to alpha/counter the griffons. Again, Abby would want Naga's so a Carnivean would go in at straight dice on the woldwrath. Thagrosh 1 sends Typhon into either list twice. The Sorceress and Hellion + archers can drop 22 armor ignoring damage every turn on the Woldwrath. Rhyas always threatens assassination no matter what model is in the way. Stirder scouts or raptors would be great for taking out the stoneshapers. Shifting stones would be harder but not impossible.
I do not see Fyanna fairing well into Baldur. Pow 17 armor piercing is cute. But that's only dice plus 4 (or 7 with blessed which her flying circus doesn't take.) But with no way to prevent healing, you can't one round that Colossal nor can you put enough damage that it's not going to stick - 3d6 and 7d3 per turn. Two fully functional blessed Angels could put ~ 20 points a piece. Healing would be between 10-39, so on average 1 Angel's damage is negated. Then it sits there and deletes both angels. If you didn't feat on the way into the guns (which is hard to believe) Maybe the woldwrath only deletes one angel, boosting to hit with dice +3. Fyanna's best bet would be to control scenario. The base size though means the Woldwrath could contest 2 zones. So you might score 1-2 points a turn. It's possible. but you have to weather a LOT of damage in that time frame.
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Post by snotling on Sept 5, 2017 15:48:37 GMT
If you are new to Legion, don't expect to stomp a tournament vet whose running his main faction. The above meta for meta's sake recommendation has nothing to do with actually teching against Circle. Saeryn's feat would squash the hopes and dreams of the griffon spam. Whatever you take against Baldur 2 is going to need 1 if not 2 (for redundant back up) Naga's. Bolt throwers would also catch out the birds under Lylyth 2. Kryssa with some blessed warlords and Azrael could drop a ton of damage on even the wolwrath. (Under feat with blessed: warlords do 16 each, precision. Azrael does 20. That's 52/58) Abby 2 does give the speed and mat buff necessary to alpha/counter the griffons. Again, Abby would want Naga's so a Carnivean would go in at straight dice on the woldwrath. Thagrosh 1 sends Typhon into either list twice. The Sorceress and Hellion + archers can drop 22 armor ignoring damage every turn on the Woldwrath. Rhyas always threatens assassination no matter what model is in the way. Stirder scouts or raptors would be great for taking out the stoneshapers. Shifting stones would be harder but not impossible. I do not see Fyanna fairing well into Baldur. Pow 17 armor piercing is cute. But that's only dice plus 4 (or 7 with blessed which her flying circus doesn't take.) But with no way to prevent healing, you can't one round that Colossal nor can you put enough damage that it's not going to stick - 3d6 and 7d3 per turn. Two fully functional blessed Angels could put ~ 20 points a piece. Healing would be between 10-39, so on average 1 Angel's damage is negated. Then it sits there and deletes both angels. If you didn't feat on the way into the guns (which is hard to believe) Maybe the woldwrath only deletes one angel, boosting to hit with dice +3. Fyanna's best bet would be to control scenario. The base size though means the Woldwrath could contest 2 zones. So you might score 1-2 points a turn. It's possible. but you have to weather a LOT of damage in that time frame. of course fanmna flying circus takes a naga, and why wouldnt it?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 5, 2017 16:30:09 GMT
of course fanmna flying circus takes a naga, and why wouldnt it? I don't know. I don't remember where the final copy+paste list ended up. Though looking that the WTC results I seem there is a naga in the list. So okay. Still I was giving the Angels the benefit of the doubt and with blessed they will do about 20ish points of damage. Which the crowd of support healers can reasonably fix. Not a plan I would want to bank on.
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newsun
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Post by newsun on Sept 6, 2017 4:55:05 GMT
Naga required, strength buff required, more than one strong beast needs to engage the ww to kill it in one turn.
There are ways to do this with A2, F2, T1. That is where I'd start. A2 has been my jam and certainly has game, though I could think up lists for the other casters too.
I tried Lyl3 into a similar list and it was tough because I could never get a bead on Baldur. So be cautious if that is your other drop. It certainly forces some list chicken.
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Post by babadook on Sept 6, 2017 9:59:32 GMT
Thanks a lot for all the feedback. Unfortunately, on package was sent back to the shop, so I will not be able to play what I want and will probably get stomped hard. I knew, that was most likely going to happen anyway because as you said, he knows his list inside out, while I will have my first games with Legion, but it will be a blast! I will play these lists: conflictchamber.com/#ca201bbtaPaPaPbvbfaObbbdbdb9fT___-0taHaPaPbvbgbubbbbbbbecobjblhWhWLegion Army - 75 / 75 points (Vayl 2) Vayl, Consul of Everblight [+28] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Seraph [14] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Strider Deathstalker [4] Strider Deathstalker [4] The Forsaken [4] Hellmouth [6] Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation (Rhyas 1) Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight [+30] - Angelius [17] - Angelius [17] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Scythean [18] - Succubus [0(4)] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0(6)] Spell Martyr [1] Blighted Nyss Hex Hunters (min) [9] - Bayal, Hound of Everblight [0(6)] Throne of Everblight [16] Throne of Everblight [16] And I will simply drop Rhyas into him and hope for the best. He knows about the feat, but he has no experience against it, so who knows, maybe he underestimates it. The plan is go forward base to base with the Thrones and try and oneround him with Blessed Angelius & Scythean. Wish me good luck, I will need it. If you like, I will try and make some pictures to do some reports!
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Sept 6, 2017 14:04:42 GMT
[16] And I will simply drop Rhyas into him and hope for the best. He knows about the feat, but he has no experience against it, so who knows, maybe he underestimates it. The plan is go forward base to base with the Thrones and try and oneround him with Blessed Angelius & Scythean. Wish me good luck, I will need it. If you like, I will try and make some pictures to do some reports! Keep in mind a stealth throne does not block line of sight😉
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bward
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Post by bward on Sept 6, 2017 14:18:29 GMT
of course fanmna flying circus takes a naga, and why wouldnt it? I don't know. I don't remember where the final copy+paste list ended up. Though looking that the WTC results I seem there is a naga in the list. So okay. Still I was giving the Angels the benefit of the doubt and with blessed they will do about 20ish points of damage. Which the crowd of support healers can reasonably fix. Not a plan I would want to bank on. They'll be dice +7 on the Charge, and then dice -3 for 4 bought attacks = ~34 points of damage. 2 Fury/Wraithbaned Angels can delete a RoE'd Woldwrath in 1 turn. That's pretty good.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 6, 2017 14:57:29 GMT
I don't know. I don't remember where the final copy+paste list ended up. Though looking that the WTC results I seem there is a naga in the list. So okay. Still I was giving the Angels the benefit of the doubt and with blessed they will do about 20ish points of damage. Which the crowd of support healers can reasonably fix. Not a plan I would want to bank on. They'll be dice +7 on the Charge, and then dice -3 for 4 bought attacks = ~34 points of damage. 2 Fury/Wraithbaned Angels can delete a RoE'd Woldwrath in 1 turn. That's pretty good. In a game where the Baldur player lets you walk up and do everything without reprisal; yes it's possible. But the assumption is that the Baldur player is an expert at the list and the Legion player is brand new. You do not want fury on the Angel before it engages or Purgation on the wyrds will mulch it w/ walking threat being 17" and possible 4 dice to hit. Fyanna then cannot hotswap fury. All of the guns out threat even slipstreamed angels. So Baldur can sit outside your range and wait a turn if you feat on the way in. That many guns should also be able to reach and splatter your Sorc&hellions unless she is max cmd range behind the army. Baldur can crowd the Angel's landing spots with wyrds since premeasuring is a thing. Most people will still boost the attack roll even if it's Def 9 since snake eyes are still a thing. So I'm sorry if I don't believe they will get more than say 20-24 damage a piece on the WW. Fyanna is far too predictable. If you've ever even seen half a game of her played, you know what they are going to do. It is too easy to shut her down and remove key pieces of her strategy.
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Post by babadook on Sept 6, 2017 18:12:52 GMT
Fyanna2 is probably a decent drop into B2, but as the Baldur player is one of my best friends and longtime team mate, I know he is not frigthened of her. To make one thing clear, I am not a beginner, it is just my first games with Legion. I usually play Minions and figured I could try a bit of Legion.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 6, 2017 20:30:44 GMT
Fyanna2 is probably a decent drop into B2, but as the Baldur player is one of my best friends and longtime team mate, I know he is not frigthened of her. To make one thing clear, I am not a beginner, it is just my first games with Legion. I usually play Minions and figured I could try a bit of Legion. I don't think any legit newbie would take on a baldur 2 main the way you want to. I get that you're not new-new. But my opinion of how to play Legion lives and dies by the slightest placement. I don't expect someone new to the faction to pick that up immediately and hit the ground running. Fyanna is too paper thin to not have tons of experience with her. I also have a deep hatred for the flying circus as it's so blasted predictable. I myself can tear the list apart seven way to sunday. So I expect anyone else can too. So I would never recommend anyone to play it as if it's a blanket answer list to something.
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Post by babadook on Sept 7, 2017 12:02:11 GMT
Yea, I do not expect to win against him to be honest, but I wanted to at least give him a run for his money. I will let you know how it went afterwards.
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Post by davycannonhound on Sept 11, 2017 17:25:56 GMT
Fyanna2 is probably a decent drop into B2, but as the Baldur player is one of my best friends and longtime team mate, I know he is not frigthened of her. To make one thing clear, I am not a beginner, it is just my first games with Legion. I usually play Minions and figured I could try a bit of Legion. Run away. The only thing that makes Legion viable is Oracles, and even then it doesn't do much. Especially against Circle. Circle is anti-Legion.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 12, 2017 12:08:37 GMT
Fyanna2 is probably a decent drop into B2, but as the Baldur player is one of my best friends and longtime team mate, I know he is not frigthened of her. To make one thing clear, I am not a beginner, it is just my first games with Legion. I usually play Minions and figured I could try a bit of Legion. Run away. The only thing that makes Legion viable is Oracles, and even then it doesn't do much. Especially against Circle. Circle is anti-Legion. How in Menoth's name is Circle anti-legion? If anything Legion preys on Circle more than any other faction.
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