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Post by tjhairball on Aug 25, 2017 1:16:52 GMT
New IF solo is pretty lame. If it was non-character FA2 I could see some utility. But let's assume I'm wrong. Yay! We got a shiny new IF solo for our IF theme! But wait... Mercs get new theme where gun mages get sniper and you can take a Cygnar unit. That means up to 13 models with sniper. Shooting Iron Fangs. WTF PP? Wait. Like Sniper as a rune, or just plain Sniper as an ability?
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Post by chickenslayer on Aug 25, 2017 1:42:40 GMT
Just plain sniper. As much as the original premise of this thread is pretty laughable, it's a good pickup, stack with snipe and does weird stuff for models like Taryn and the Thorn Gun Mages
Tradeoff is you can't pick up a unit of Choir.
Aug 25, 2017 11:09:22 GMT 10 tapecrawler said:
I was the one that started the sniping Trencher Mechanik silliness. I think you missed the point. The point was that you have a support unit that has almost as much combat prowess as our dedicated sniper unit that's supposed to be the absolute best at their niche. If you put snipe on the dug in Trencher mechaniks then they shoot as far as our snipers while also having a wheelbarrow full of other special rules. I'm not saying that this is the best use of snipe all game but towards the end game, it would be nice to have a small (probably ignored) unit that can go toe to toe with dedicated snipers. To me the Trencher mechaniks are a bit like MKII character units with three models and a lot of special rules. They are not unique so multiples of them can be taken if desired. They seem to be a Swiss Army knife unit where they have a nice special rule that covers them that turn. If against infantry and/or AOE weapons they can dig in and be a real pain in the neck. They can be parked B2B with a Grenadier and help him shoot three times a turn. ( The nicest part of this is since they have the mechanik description they can be taken in any theme!) if they are going up against jacks or battle engines they have sabotage. They have a better RAT than any of our models outside of dedicated snipers. Oh, and by the way, they can also repair a damaged jack. Maybe not as well as our Mechanics but our Mechanics don't have any fancy rules, no ranged attack, and hit with same POW as Trencher mechaniks. So yes, I'm quite a bit envious.
Yea...whilst I can respect the idea of a unit of mechanics that Do Work, an overpriced 3 man unit armed with popguns and a schizophrenic set of 3 special actions that are all a bit contradictory (and at a mere D3 no less) is pretty low on my list of shit to be envious over.
And then you're playing Cygnar so *of course* you give them snipe -_-
Their main use in life honestly is reloading Grenadeers outside of Trencher theme.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 25, 2017 1:52:53 GMT
For those who aren't on CID, this is a PSA to try and redirect the thread towards productive comments on the new model. Keep in mind in theme she gets countercharge. And, yeah, literally every warrior model (in CMD) now is MAT 8 or MAT 9.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 25, 2017 1:53:42 GMT
Yea...whilst I can respect the idea of a unit of mechanics that Do Work, an overpriced 3 man unit armed with popguns and a schizophrenic set of 3 special actions that are all a bit contradictory (and at a mere D3 no less) is pretty low on my list of shit to be envious over. And then you're playing Cygnar so *of course* you give them snipe -_- Their main use in life honestly is reloading Grenadeers outside of Trencher theme. Cygnars just spoiled for choice. I have had plenty of times I would have really liked the Wintergaurd Keyword on my Battle Mechanics, or dig in, or a 10 inch gun. Or Firetrucking speed 6. Heck even a 1D3 guaranteed against some stuff would have changed games. Would have had them survive for way longer at least. But because of its Cygnar its third tier dumpster trash.
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Post by Ganso on Aug 25, 2017 4:49:03 GMT
Ok, let me list off some things that are pure fact right now, cause I think I'm falling in love with Lagertha here, I mean Katheryn... I mean Sofya No Sleeping on the Job from the IFK applies to her, so unless you can Stationary her, or move her (Telekinesis) You cannot prevent her from Shield Guarding, because Inhuman Resolve + IKF keeps her around Standing with Zero Hit Points like a boss, even after taking a big hit. It's a pretty cool puzzle to present to the opponent. She's an Iron Fang so she gets to Counter Charge in LegoS, with a Weapon Master POW 13 Blasting Pike with a very decent Crit percentage. And, just by virtue of Leadership she improves your crit chances on the Blasting Pikes. Uhlans in particular could get a +3% increase versus Warpwolves for example, that may not look like much, but my math obsessed brain is thrilled!
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Post by borderprince on Aug 25, 2017 5:16:00 GMT
But wait... Mercs get new theme where gun mages get sniper and you can take a Cygnar unit. That means up to 13 models with sniper. I want to make you feel happier about the fact the sky is falling. So, just to improve your day, it's 14 models with sniper (ATGM + UA (7) + TGM x2 (6) + Taryn = 14). And 7 of those get two shots each, so 21 sniper shots a turn. That full package costs 38 points. The upside is that if the snipers do shoot Iron Fangs all day long, it will be next to impossible to kill Skirova. 1 unit and 1 solo (5 models) in faction makes something a defining faction trait? The full sniper boat had 1 faction unit, 1 faction solo, 2 merc solos and a minion solo. So either 2/5 army choices, or 5/8 models. Hardly an overwhelming Khadoran presence. And on Trencher Mechaniks: And like a Swiss Army knife they are much less effective than a dedicated tool for a job and not especially useful in a fight.
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Post by kaos on Aug 25, 2017 5:54:50 GMT
It's true. PP hates Khador. These are just facts But especially they hate Khador so much that they'll hand out Counter Charging 0 point garbage models with Inhuman Resolve, Righteous Vengeance, Weaponmaster on 2 seperate weapons and Precision Strike in a theme that gives easy access to immunity to Knock Down and Tactician. Quality Unplayable Trash, please trade for Sniped Trencher Mechanics can't literally wait to see that in action. I'm literally eating my hat now for losing a excellent deal for another box of iron fangs. I need moar fangs.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 25, 2017 6:54:33 GMT
Take Old Witch2, problem solved! How? Cast Windstorm while using Vexing Alignment for an 18" control range. Have Old Witch towards the front of the army (out of melee threat ranges, obviously) and all those snipers can't reach anything. Cheers, Dave
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Post by Blargaliscious on Aug 25, 2017 12:30:48 GMT
For those who aren't on CID, this is a PSA to try and redirect the thread towards productive comments on the new model. Keep in mind in theme she gets countercharge. And, yeah, literally every warrior model (in CMD) now is MAT 8 or MAT 9. Thank you very much for posting this, I appreciate it! Now the first part of the original post makes sense - I completely disagree with it, but it makes sense now. I'm guessing that the second part of the rather incomprehensible post refers to a new theme force in the CID for the Mercs? I like Sofya! I can see Sofya next to Markov surrounded by all flavors of Iron Fangs getting a lot of work done. I'm just wondering if when I get the miniature I need to put 2x long banners on her back so that she will be like the other Seneschals? Nah, as long as they don't put her in bikini armor I'll leave her alone. I find it funny that she is apparently the *only* Iron Fang that has realized "Hey, I can hit people with this shield they gave me!" and has gotten so good she became a weapon master at it.
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Post by killermuppet on Aug 25, 2017 13:07:22 GMT
A visual for folks to check her out: Just my 2cp, -Da Muppet
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Post by Cryptix on Aug 25, 2017 13:24:19 GMT
I find it funny that she is apparently the *only* Iron Fang that has realized "Hey, I can hit people with this shield they gave me!" and has gotten so good she became a weapon master at it. Truly an example of Khadoran progress.
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Post by Netherby on Aug 25, 2017 14:25:21 GMT
It's true. PP hates Khador. These are just facts But especially they hate Khador so much that they'll hand out Counter Charging 0 point garbage models with Inhuman Resolve, Righteous Vengeance, Weaponmaster on 2 seperate weapons and Precision Strike in a theme that gives easy access to immunity to Knock Down and Tactician. Quality Unplayable Trash, please trade for Sniped Trencher Mechanics The problem is when you want to play out of theme and find out she's 6 points!? Oh, but I forgot no one plays out of theme and PP doesn't want you to But don't worry, Cygnar players have been VERY naughty and are getting a lump of coal for Christmas...
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Post by gribble on Aug 25, 2017 14:50:53 GMT
I totally missed that she is a black dragon - sweet!
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 25, 2017 14:51:22 GMT
It's true. PP hates Khador. These are just facts But especially they hate Khador so much that they'll hand out Counter Charging 0 point garbage models with Inhuman Resolve, Righteous Vengeance, Weaponmaster on 2 seperate weapons and Precision Strike in a theme that gives easy access to immunity to Knock Down and Tactician. Quality Unplayable Trash, please trade for Sniped Trencher Mechanics The problem is when you want to play out of theme and find out she's 6 points!? Oh, but I forgot no one plays out of theme and PP doesn't want you to But don't worry, Cygnar players have been VERY naughty and are getting a lump of coal for Christmas... 6 Points is very reasonable for the variable treasure trove of abilities she has. Support, Defense, Deniability, and very high Damage output for a solo.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Aug 25, 2017 14:53:49 GMT
Given an ogrun bokur is 5pts I think she's fine at 6.
Cheers, Dave
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