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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 28, 2017 12:14:46 GMT
How on earth does Lylyth2 handle 8+ Khador Jacks? Feat turn is: 4 Bolt throwers = 8 thunder bolt pushes Azrael is 3 attempts at crit smite with up to 4 dice drop the lowest and yes, the assassination threat of ~20" is a thing 3 arching fire CRAs usually forces the caster to cower behind a jack. Basically I'm not worrying as much about one-rounding jacks as I'm just pushing and knocking down things every turn. My gunline is 14" from where the push started. The point is to control rather than kill. While trying to get line on the enemy caster for the assassination. Even if they hide behind a jack; I knockdown the jack to not block line of sight or Azrael smites the jack over the caster. It's just a situation of using a single tool as much as possible. Plus Zuriel can still charge and scalpel out systems on the one or two jacks I don't push across the board.
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Post by whydak on Aug 28, 2017 12:52:50 GMT
How on earth does Lylyth2 handle 8+ Khador Jacks? Feat turn is: 4 Bolt throwers = 8 thunder bolt pushes Azrael is 3 attempts at crit smite with up to 4 dice drop the lowest and yes, the assassination threat of ~20" is a thing 3 arching fire CRAs usually forces the caster to cower behind a jack. (...) I believe you that feat turn is nice. But next turn? With 16+ Fury to pull and Fury 5 warlock without forsaknes? I tried to bulid Lylyth2 in CotD but I'm not convinced so far. But if gobber cheff will be allowed I will try it.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 28, 2017 14:34:59 GMT
Feat turn is: 4 Bolt throwers = 8 thunder bolt pushes Azrael is 3 attempts at crit smite with up to 4 dice drop the lowest and yes, the assassination threat of ~20" is a thing 3 arching fire CRAs usually forces the caster to cower behind a jack. (...) I believe you that feat turn is nice. But next turn? With 16+ Fury to pull and Fury 5 warlock without forsaknes? I tried to bulid Lylyth2 in CotD but I'm not convinced so far. But if gobber cheff will be allowed I will try it. 3 Shepherds and Soothing Song (non-feat turn) is the only saving grace. Yes I know the order of activation screw-ball she has. But with a 22" threat putting out pincushion has, so far, been enough to get it on a target the turn before I want to make use of it. So I upkeep with a succubus. Then, I myself, end up activating everything to take basic shots turn two, soothing song, try to get pincushion on a new target, and hold feat for turn 3. Again going back to the 14" away before i push you 1-3 away. There should be no way for the jacks to run to engage me. Turn 3 I feat and with pincushion and likely aiming, I refrain from boosting to hit where viable. So I'm looking at 8 on the bolt throwers. Shepherds are there only to help lower the frenzy checks. As Azrael will be sitting on 4 by himself. But if I haven't done enough work under feat, the bolt throwers are going to be dead any ways. So I i just make do with the board state however it ends up.
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Post by snotling on Aug 29, 2017 4:24:38 GMT
I still don't see that working against harkevich (the most common khador jackspam it seems to me). My local player plays two clamjacks. With them and terrain there is next to no pushing going on. And thanks to jumpstart kd isn't worth mutch either.
I also face a lot retribution jack lists, were every jack is a shield guard (and with 1-2 agfs, quite possibly outshoots lylyth2. And then there is convergence, who just vomits 6 shild guards a turn, and the zadesh beast brick.
The gunlinehate is just to real right now.
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Post by whydak on Aug 29, 2017 7:05:27 GMT
I believe you that feat turn is nice. But next turn? With 16+ Fury to pull and Fury 5 warlock without forsaknes? I tried to bulid Lylyth2 in CotD but I'm not convinced so far. But if gobber cheff will be allowed I will try it. 3 Shepherds and Soothing Song (non-feat turn) is the only saving grace. Yes I know the order of activation screw-ball she has. But with a 22" threat putting out pincushion has, so far, been enough to get it on a target the turn before I want to make use of it. So I upkeep with a succubus. Then, I myself, end up activating everything to take basic shots turn two, soothing song, try to get pincushion on a new target, and hold feat for turn 3. Again going back to the 14" away before i push you 1-3 away. There should be no way for the jacks to run to engage me. Turn 3 I feat and with pincushion and likely aiming, I refrain from boosting to hit where viable. So I'm looking at 8 on the bolt throwers. Shepherds are there only to help lower the frenzy checks. As Azrael will be sitting on 4 by himself. But if I haven't done enough work under feat, the bolt throwers are going to be dead any ways. So I i just make do with the board state however it ends up. Nicely planned use of available resources:D But still there is little fury managment to work with If it's working for you great I will stay with my signle bolt thrower model
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