What are we having to build for?

For me it's an answer to heavy shooting (Cygnar), since our expensive warbeasts are made of tissue paper.

Once that's handled, I can honestly pair with whatever I feel like playing at the time.

-und_ed

My usual answers to shooting are Fyanna2 Oracles and Lylyth3 (ugh). MKIII has too many easy workarounds for stealth to be a reliable anti-shooting answer.

-und_ed

In a 3 list match up, I want to take a mix of things.

Infantry spam that is strong into other Infantry spam and high jack count. (Kryssa in Ravens is my choice for this at the moment - lots of stealth and ambush) Very high defence stuff (minimum Def 14, beasts can't be knocked down, some stuff is Def17 vs living which is very fun)

Kallus2, CoTD, high threat Azuriel and Zuriel, backed up by high damage Swordsmen and Raptors. Can again deal with Infantry spam and Jack heavy count. Doesn't like running into gunlines much I expect, but is pretty fast so may be can run to engage enough. This list has good defence on most stuff.

Saeryn, My list is pretty much an all comers list. It doesn't like lists with a high level of antimagic in them (book of menoth...) but it hits hard with 3 pieces (throne, Zuriel and a Carnivian) and can be reistant to damage with Saeryns feat/banishing ward. Saeryn is personally hard to shoot.


My goal is to against other factions have 2 lists that I would have game into. So in this 3 list matchup I've worked out:

Saeryn is bad into Menoth.
Kallus2 is bad into Cygnar.
Kryssa is bad into ?

I'm really not very good at this list chicken type kind of game, but nearly every game, my opponent knows I can drop a stealth list with very high def, or a list with low def but Arm 20, or a highly mobile hard hitting force that out threats anything that isn't also cheating. I've had Zuriel charge 20"... which is very unfair.

So its kind of about giving my opponent really hard choices, but running 3 different lists that I'm prepared to play into a variety of matchups.

If I could bring myself to play L2 or A1 instead of Saeryn I could take ADR too which would make list chicken really easy. Being able to add more magic weapons into the different lists after knowing what your opponent plays, or switching out a huge section of stuff gives you at least 2 very different lists.

I may be missing something. But when it comes to Cygnar I've not had as much trouble with their shooting as I expect I should. I have just weathered the stormwall or chargers (2-3) for the most part. I usually can't reach the later but I'm never in a position I can't deal with the rest of the army. So it's more of a case of I don't build against it, I just play around it.

Now, Kara Sloan. I didn't play against her with Legion; I had wanted to play gators that day and put down Calaban not knowing what the enemy caster would be. Even with that I did not have any sort of a bad time. It was a lot of the light guns (3 chargers and 2 hunters), no stormwall, Defenders, a thing of gun mages and maybe another flavor of jack. But even then I didn't feel some unbearable pressure to run to engage or hide my heavies. He did blatantly shoot the 1 wrastler I had off the table on feat turn. The turtle died a slow painful death over three turns. He also had near nothing for me to get kills to fuel my feat turn. It still just did not feel like i was going to be screwed (though I did joke about it a lot). Now, I did fall quite short of scenario. I think it was 2-4 in SR16 three flags. So I ended up needing an assassination or a contest. I charged Calaban in to get his defender out of the way with life trader and parasite then run the blindwalker to contest and engage Kara. But if I recall correctly Kara only had a hunter and squire left and I still had a handful of shamblers, Calaban with transfers, a near untouched blindwalker, and 3 or 4 slaugtherhousers. So the concede was a pretty fair choice.

Stryker 1 and his snipe stormwall was not able to put down my Kryssa list. I literally never even made attacks on the stormwall cuz arm 27 is totally fair...
I have put what I can find as the "meta" Haley 2 heavy metal list on the testing table at home and found that Lylyth 2 can really screws her over.

The only thing right now I fear hasn't been released yet - Haley 2 trencher boat + building.

Forever, what is your Kryssa list at the moment?

Looks good. I'm going to try her in Ravens, with lots of grotesques.

How on earth does Lylyth2 handle 8+ Khador Jacks?