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Post by gedditoffme on Aug 20, 2017 12:57:45 GMT
This is the most generous theme imaginable and people are getting hung up on the one model it doesn't include? Do you include bokur in every list?
Also, the rover is an excellent jack which works well with marshals and comes with shield guard. Vanguard isn't too bad with flank, though feels more like you're paying a few extra pts than you should.
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Lahn
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Post by Lahn on Aug 20, 2017 13:10:19 GMT
Meh. Ive got my ret. No harm no foul. Whoever plays this... GL into Ossyan lol. Or maybe.....just maybe.....not every pairing will be double Irregulars that has to drop into Ossyan.
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Post by mikethefish on Aug 20, 2017 23:28:44 GMT
Meh. Ive got my ret. No harm no foul. Whoever plays this... GL into Ossyan lol. Or maybe.....just maybe.....not every pairing will be double Irregulars that has to drop into Ossyan. Even if it magically is...it's really not as cut and dry as Isotope is making it out. Mark 3, and Steamroller 2017? Not that scary of a matchup.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 0:50:28 GMT
Or maybe.....just maybe.....not every pairing will be double Irregulars that has to drop into Ossyan. Even if it magically is...it's really not as cut and dry as Isotope is making it out. Mark 3, and Steamroller 2017? Not that scary of a matchup. Yesterday I had Hypnos shadow bind a throne of everyblight from 10" away every single round because he didn't have a shieldguard to stop me. 17 points of useless model on the table all game. Feat turn I killed both angels and zuriel leaving him with a seraph and a boltthrower to deal with my entire force. I won on Time, was up on scenario and had 103 Army Points destroyed to 13 destroyed by him. Please, go on... tell me how Ossyan in SR17 isn't good, and tell me that one shield guard that could have stopped me from doing this at least one round wouldn't have helped him.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 21, 2017 2:29:40 GMT
Yesterday I had Hypnos shadow bind a throne of everyblight from 10" away every single round because he didn't have a shieldguard to stop me. 17 points of useless model on the table all game. Feat turn I killed both angels and zuriel leaving him with a seraph and a boltthrower to deal with my entire force. I won on Time, was up on scenario and had 103 Army Points destroyed to 13 destroyed by him. Please, go on... tell me how Ossyan in SR17 isn't good, and tell me that one shield guard that could have stopped me from doing this at least one round wouldn't have helped him. That's just kinda ridiculous as an example though. I mean a trooper model next to Hypnos or Stealth on the Throne would have worked too. "A Wold Killed My caster, therefore Wolds are OP nerf plz" is just about as complex and matter about as much as a example.
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Post by Lahn on Aug 21, 2017 2:34:17 GMT
Even if it magically is...it's really not as cut and dry as Isotope is making it out. Mark 3, and Steamroller 2017? Not that scary of a matchup. Yesterday I had Hypnos shadow bind a throne of everyblight from 10" away every single round because he didn't have a shieldguard to stop me. 17 points of useless model on the table all game. Feat turn I killed both angels and zuriel leaving him with a seraph and a boltthrower to deal with my entire force. I won on Time, was up on scenario and had 103 Army Points destroyed to 13 destroyed by him. Please, go on... tell me how Ossyan in SR17 isn't good, and tell me that one shield guard that could have stopped me from doing this at least one round wouldn't have helped him. I'll continue to not take Throne's of Everblight in my Irregular list. It'll be hard, but we can form a support group here so that all of us can maintain the willpower to not make that instinctive list build choice. Here's the real answer: Ossyan is an issue to your mind. It isn't for the rest of us because sweet dick all people play Ossyan. Ergo we don't need Irregular lists with Shield Guards to fight Ossyan.
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 3:03:31 GMT
Yesterday I had Hypnos shadow bind a throne of everyblight from 10" away every single round because he didn't have a shieldguard to stop me. 17 points of useless model on the table all game. Feat turn I killed both angels and zuriel leaving him with a seraph and a boltthrower to deal with my entire force. I won on Time, was up on scenario and had 103 Army Points destroyed to 13 destroyed by him. Please, go on... tell me how Ossyan in SR17 isn't good, and tell me that one shield guard that could have stopped me from doing this at least one round wouldn't have helped him. I'll continue to not take Throne's of Everblight in my Irregular list. It'll be hard, but we can form a support group here so that all of us can maintain the willpower to not make that instinctive list build choice. Here's the real answer: Ossyan is an issue to your mind. It isn't for the rest of us because sweet dick all people play Ossyan. Ergo we don't need Irregular lists with Shield Guards to fight Ossyan. It's one example. While battle engines can't be knocked down you marshalled jacks can, and they can be made stationary. Also There's a lot of things you dont want your caster getting shot with... push guns, paralyze guns, knock down guns, slam guns, Eiryss, pulls from Loki/Galleon. Typically it's a good idea to have some safeguard against these things. While yes, someone said the Throne could have stealth... how many casters grant occultation? If it did I can walk to 5" away and make it useless all game then... Run something to engage Hypnos you say? Well he's armor 19 so it better pack a punch or ill just walk away, he's also got ghost shot so i could be standing behind a forest, behind a building, clouds... anything. Also I could just you know... unjam him with other stuff? I find when able that it's a really good idea to have at least one shield guard. In your irregular v irregular match it's gonna be who's free eiryss can get a shot off on the enemy caster first. Sure lists don't NEED a shield guard, it's typically a good idea to have one though. Most factions that have a shield guard solo can take it for free. The fact that mercs has one, that could have been free... that's what's frustrating to me(plus he isn't in kingmaker either). There's no like... "this theme would be OP broken if he was allowed in the theme", it would just make it safer to deliver marshalled jacks and/or your caster.
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Post by gobber on Aug 21, 2017 3:59:53 GMT
I agree it's really helpful to have a shield guard in the list. It's not the end of the world if you don't; I don't think I've ever lost or brought a shield guard against Ossyan the few times i've seen him. There are other options (rover, feign death, clouds, etc).
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Post by Lahn on Aug 21, 2017 5:02:06 GMT
I literally don't care about any other rules on the card. Give me a 1 pt character solo with no weapon, no other rules but shield guard and I'd still take it over any other free solo for these 2 lists I wanna make! Sure lists don't NEED a shield guard, it's typically a good idea to have one though. Most factions that have a shield guard solo can take it for free. The fact that mercs has one, that could have been free... that's what's frustrating to me(plus he isn't in kingmaker either). There's no like... "this theme would be OP broken if he was allowed in the theme", it would just make it safer to deliver marshalled jacks and/or your caster. The strength of your view on the desirability for Shield Guard seems to have a lot of variance post to post. What's stopping just taking the Thor Avalancher and being done with? it'll count toward the points for free stuff, Thor's sweet to have anyway.
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Post by bernlad on Aug 21, 2017 5:02:17 GMT
If the irregular theme list really go live like this, I cant think of any reason not to use it. No affordable shield guards. GL with that with every other merc player now getting a free eiryss 1. I still cant think why the irregular theme list isnt better. If you use non-theme list, OGRUN BOKUR is just a 5 pts solo. I agree its cheap but as non-theme list you dont have any free solo. Now you can have 3 or 4 free solo, so why dont you just use a Vanguard which cause you 11 pts, but end up you will have 3 free solo to compensate the extra 6 pts you have paid.
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Post by Munindk on Aug 21, 2017 6:24:21 GMT
For 11pts you can have either a Vanguard or Shaw and a Talon, or spend 10pts on Shaw and a Buccaneer. Sure, its at least double the cost of a Bokur but its still pretty cheap for shield guards.
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Post by shoe on Aug 21, 2017 6:27:42 GMT
haha! don't worry about eiryss1 in the merc lists isotope! nobody gonna bring her because nobody gonna run irregulars because theres no cheap shield guard to shield guard against eiryss1!
wait...
oh also you could mebbe bring rutger as ur free solo with a talon or something... i mean, i wouldn't cuz jack marshalling without power booster is still pants but hey!
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Post by mikethefish on Aug 21, 2017 11:14:11 GMT
oh also you could mebbe bring rutger as ur free solo with a talon or something... i mean, i wouldn't cuz jack marshalling without power booster is still pants but hey! No they're not.
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 11:23:05 GMT
Ill try the theme with the models i own. I swapped anastasia in where i had bokur for the +1 and the " ambushisng solo to score a flag or get close to their caster mind Firetruck." 2 units pf eliminators on an espionage would be funny. Ill keep an eye out on new solos that i can swap her out for in the future.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 21, 2017 11:50:46 GMT
haha! don't worry about eiryss1 in the merc lists isotope! nobody gonna bring her because nobody gonna run irregulars because theres no cheap shield guard to shield guard against eiryss1! Hahaha
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