isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 17:55:52 GMT
So let's take a look at my 2 lists I had proposed before someone pointed out to me that Bokur was not allowed. That was me. I agree it's confounding. If there was some trick or thing that made the bokur OP in the theme or a "thematic" reason he was one of the only 2 models in the entire faction not allowed in the theme I'd be ok with it. Shit, if we just had a character solo who was a shield guard... I'd be fine. I think it's just the lack of an affordable shield guard and now to get a 11 point ( 4 of which can be free) shield guard to get a single one just makes me less likely to want to do it. Meanwhile in factions like grymkin you get 2 for 7 or free in theme and their shieldguards actually are abusable since if they shield guard a shot it can trigger an arcana... I just want one guy willing to take a bullet for my caster in those games where my opponent has a gun that really messes with my chances of survival.
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Post by gobber on Aug 18, 2017 18:03:59 GMT
That was me. I agree it's confounding. If there was some trick or thing that made the bokur OP in the theme or a "thematic" reason he was one of the only 2 models in the entire faction not allowed in the theme I'd be ok with it. Fluffwise as wandering bodyguards they're among the most sensible models for an irregular theme...
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 18:05:25 GMT
If there was some trick or thing that made the bokur OP in the theme or a "thematic" reason he was one of the only 2 models in the entire faction not allowed in the theme I'd be ok with it. Fluffwise as wandering bodyguards they're among the most sensible models for an irregular theme... Thank you for this. This prettymuch throws their "thematic" reasoning out the window lol!
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Post by gobber on Aug 18, 2017 18:23:14 GMT
Thank you for this. This prettymuch throws their "thematic" reasoning out the window lol! Fwiw, there's even a Character Bokur in theme (Gudrun), he just doesn't have shield guard
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 18, 2017 18:25:49 GMT
I literally don't care about any other rules on the card. Give me a 1 pt character solo with no weapon, no other rules but shield guard and I'd still take it over any other free solo for these 2 lists I wanna make!
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Post by gobber on Aug 19, 2017 4:45:43 GMT
Trying to come up with some non-trencher damiano lists...
Damiano Rover+Mariner 2x Eliminators Assassins+UA Idrians+free UA Croes' Aiyana&Holt Artillerydorfs Eyriss1+Taryn+Hutchuck
Two pathfinding AD units each take a flank (one gets deathmarch), defskewblob moves up the middle backed by a solid assortment of guns from the back and flanks. Eiryss and Taryn keep the enemy caster wary, two arm debuffs let the infantry hit way above their class especially on feat, and the whole thing is pretty safe against gunlines.
If scenario/terrain permits and you're going second, you might be able to swap the kayazyblob+jacks to a flank and put the idrians in the middle, setting up a refused flank. If they go for either of the repositioning units the kayazy should be able to get backstrikes; if they go for your kayazy and caster as they should then croe's get free reign on the back of the army.
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Lahn
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Post by Lahn on Aug 19, 2017 15:11:53 GMT
I literally don't care about any other rules on the card. Give me a 1 pt character solo with no weapon, no other rules but shield guard and I'd still take it over any other free solo for these 2 lists I wanna make! Irregulars is fine, just evidently not for you. Or for my initial reaction to to your Shield Guard Hard On:
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Post by thimnwitt on Aug 19, 2017 17:23:42 GMT
Well, Gastone will be able to make Shield Guards out of the common troopers.
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Post by gobber on Aug 19, 2017 20:16:49 GMT
Ashlynne, Mags1, and shortly Gastonne2 all have access to feign death as well
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Aug 19, 2017 20:25:24 GMT
Ashlynne, Mags1, and shortly Gastonne2 all have access to feign death as well How does Gastonne2 get access to Feign Death?
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Post by gobber on Aug 19, 2017 20:30:52 GMT
Ashlynne, Mags1, and shortly Gastonne2 all have access to feign death as well How does Gastonne2 get access to Feign Death? Llaelese, so bring Gibbs
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 20, 2017 4:15:23 GMT
Meh. Ive got my ret. No harm no foul. Whoever plays this... GL into Ossyan lol.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 20, 2017 4:53:51 GMT
I dont get it. This theme has no flavour, its very close to all mercs + benefit. You cant take the bear, the snake, the character jacks are limited to their bonded casters... anything else not allowed? u cant take bokur or river raiders. que lastima!!!
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 20, 2017 5:52:20 GMT
Do most themes have access to cheap shield-guards? My other faction is Khador, I know that the Winter Guard theme has sac-pawn, but other than that our only shield guard is the crappy 11-point Rager (or the 21-point Beast 09 with Sorscha). I guess many of our casters can be reasonably hard to kill, maybe the non-sac-pawn themes are mainly played with the tougher casters, I don't really know. Cygnar has the Sentinel, but I don't know that it gets taken too often? What about other factions?
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Post by chillychinaman on Aug 20, 2017 12:55:39 GMT
Do most themes have access to cheap shield-guards? My other faction is Khador, I know that the Winter Guard theme has sac-pawn, but other than that our only shield guard is the crappy 11-point Rager (or the 21-point Beast 09 with Sorscha). I guess many of our casters can be reasonably hard to kill, maybe the non-sac-pawn themes are mainly played with the tougher casters, I don't really know. Cygnar has the Sentinel, but I don't know that it gets taken too often? What about other factions? Coming from Legion, not all themes/factions have easy access to shield guards/sac-pawn. It was part of the reason why I'd like to see Nephilim get it in CotD instead of Unyielding. On the Menite side of things, we have a fair number ranging from units, solos, lights, and heavies for varying levels of point cost.
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