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Post by zerosequence on Aug 21, 2017 12:13:51 GMT
I like this theme, can't wait to use it with Caine3 and Ace. It basically nets me two free units of Thorne gun mages for 20pts free (when you consider the solos I was taking anyway).
Also, I actually think it's a better option than Kingmakers and Hammerstrike a lot of the time.
And as for the Shield Guards, meh. Use a Rover or two. They are amazing. One of my favorite jacks in the game. I'm thinking Magnus2 Rover and Nomad spam to start. I already play Magnus2 with 100% warjacks. Lack of Character jacks hurts some because no Gallant, but I'm gonna net some free solos and advance move... sweet.
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Aug 21, 2017 12:27:01 GMT
No Ace in mercs. He might be Caines character jack but unless he has the Mercenary rule, you cant field him in mercs.
Bad information on my part, sorry.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 12:32:08 GMT
Yea. I mean I'll make it work but it's just so dumb that bokur isn't included. Now with Anasasia for all the cheese this is what I'm looking at:
(Magnus 2) Magnus the Warlord [+28] - Galleon [39] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Renegade [10] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [0(4)] Anastasia di Bray [0(3)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0(5)] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
(Caine 3) Caine's Hellslingers [+20] - Ace [12] - Galleon [39] - Mangler [15] - Mangler [15] - Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator [0(4)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios [0(7)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0(5)] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5]
With Magnus2 you can have 2 manglers at or around the midline on Top of 1, threatening 12", your opponent doesn't have a lot of wiggle room on where to put their stuff. They can't just run a unit to jam them because thresher and you'd keep them right outside their charge threats for bottom of 1. Top of 2 you punch them in the face, hard and jam them out of scenario really well and can probably have galleon sitting pretty scoring a zone in drag and drop range of whatever they send in on the manglers, idrians sitting in a zone with their mini feat. You save feat for turn 3 at this point. If you go 2nd you probably feat turn 2.
With Caine you just jam 2 manglers and 2 units of eliminators down their throat until you set up a feat turn on their caster. The only thing they can hide behind is a obstruction. Caine goes, eiryss strips focus after calamity, galleon and ace pump some lead in to finish the job(even at no focus allocated and min gunshots on galleon that's 2 essentially pow 18s 1 boosted dmg and 1 pow 17 boosted dmg. I think this iteration of Caine3 will actually have a chance compared to the Cygnar one which is falling out of favor due to lack of any scenario presence at all. 2 Manglers and 2 units of eliminators gives you at least 1/2 turns of contesting.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 12:33:36 GMT
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 21, 2017 12:37:57 GMT
My mate suggested as many freebooters and sea dog deck guns as you can fir into a Magnus 1 list, with advance move, Jury Rigged and Feat they get to 38" up the board top of 1, not sure what they do once they are there, (die probably) but it would be funny to see
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 21, 2017 12:57:15 GMT
My mate suggested as many freebooters and sea dog deck guns as you can fir into a Magnus 1 list, with advance move, Jury Rigged and Feat they get to 38" up the board top of 1, not sure what they do once they are there, (die probably) but it would be funny to see Huh, I just last week I was talking about the exact same thing in Khador with Vlad 1 and Kodiaks in the Winter Guard theme... great minds think alike eh?
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Aug 21, 2017 13:10:53 GMT
No need to swear. I could have sword there was a different ruling back when Caine 3 was released though.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Aug 21, 2017 13:14:58 GMT
No need to swear. I could have sword there was a different ruling back when Caine 3 was released though. Purple text is the only ruling that matters
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Post by gobber on Aug 21, 2017 20:32:09 GMT
Fun little combo I've been enjoying: Gorten feat+wall tends to create huge clumps of enemies. Rockbottom coins can give overtake to Bradigan and Mar of the Devil's Shadow to nomnomnom entire units of infantry. Supersteadytough blast immune pressganger horde have been performing as well as hoped
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 21, 2017 22:45:27 GMT
coins nono work on badigan. he too surly
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Post by gobber on Aug 21, 2017 23:31:56 GMT
Well phooey
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studderingdave
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Post by studderingdave on Aug 22, 2017 2:56:30 GMT
if there is a rhulic end into this, Bunny Ranch has just been turned to 11.
Ossrum Reinholt Gunner Gunner Gunner Gunner Gunner Gunner Gunner Gunner Gunner Blaster Blaster Blaster Avalancher Rockram pEiryss Orin Midwinter Taryn
On top of the already known ranged threat of this list, now we have shadowfire, stealth mitigation and Eiryss, matched with spell protection. Ghost Fleet drop into pDenny.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 22, 2017 5:05:34 GMT
i kinda with u on dat list, but the avalancher and rockram could be three drillers, and there should be one artillery piece.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Aug 23, 2017 15:12:50 GMT
This thread is bringing back a lot of the sarcasm from the old boards and I immensely appreciate it. Also, I like how the theme was hot garbage a few minutes ago (obvious hyperbole is obvious) because it only gave you 4 free solos to justify spending 5-6 more points to get a significantly better shield guard (all/most of which counted towards those solos) and now its invalidating all other themes because of how many points it can put up field as quickly as it does.
It's almost like list building and player skill are part of the game and its not as simple as picking up two models and smashing them into each other and making explosion noises.
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Post by mikethefish on Aug 23, 2017 16:09:21 GMT
No need to swear. I could have sword there was a different ruling back when Caine 3 was released though. The ruling you are thinking about was about taking Ace in a non-theme Mercs list. You can't do it. BUT, you CAN take Ace in a Theme list, because of the Bonding rules. What's different nowadays is that Caine3 wasn't allowed in any of the Merc themes. When Irregulars gets released in September, suddenly you can. Of course, all this isn't really too exciting because: 1) Caine3 is a terrible Merc Caster 2) Ace is a crappy jack 3) Caine3 is terrible in Steamroller 2017, no matter if he's playing in Cygnar or Mercs
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