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Post by ninjastars on Jul 29, 2017 17:03:18 GMT
When The Sea King was 42 points, I never bothered to even look at it or consider it for a list. I would never pay that many points for a gargantuan.
But at the same cost as an MK, I now have to consider when to bring one vs the other.
This is a little trickier than the MK vs GK, because the sea king seems like he fills a pretty similar role to the Mountain king.
What do you all think? Now that the sea king isn't prohibitively expensive, what would make you take one over the mountain king?
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Post by Guest on Jul 29, 2017 17:33:59 GMT
I still think Mountain King is the better choice 9/10 times. Sea Kings animus is too janky for my taste - Rage is much better/usefull. Sea Kings gun is meh, with the random second AOE, because its Trollbloods so it has to be randomly stupid. Where as the MK has potentially 2 good sprays + assault. Way better imo. MK survivability is better (from Whelps). MK is better in overall matchups where he can deal with both units and heavies. SK is only good against heavies. Only thing SK has going for him is 4'' reach and bulldoze to help get to enemy heavies. But then only MAT 6, where MK is MAT 8 most of the times (due to deafen on spray). I can see POD Horgle2 with a SK might work, because the rest of the list should be able to deal with units, then the SK kan focus on his job. Have not tried that list, but on paper I think POD Gunny with MK is much better than that. I feel like the Seaking misses something. A cool rule or some more synergy of some sort. MK has Whelps, Gk has snowfall and SK has.... nothing?? My 2 cents
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Post by Trollock on Jul 29, 2017 17:52:10 GMT
I do not think that the "MK is MAT 8" really. That pretty much meant that you boosted to hit with your spray, or that the target is low DEF and then MAT 6 is just fine. The SK has a very similar damage output (+1 POW vs the assault) and has a significantly better threat range. the 4" reach is worth much more than +2" of movement usually. It pretty much requires you to take a Mauler though, unless you want only the one gargantuan as your beast. So you pretty much HAVE to leverage the longer threat range for the SK to be an option. Doomy 2 or Grissel 1 or Borka 1 could all do this. Since you probably want a Mauler as well, that means you can not spend 60 points on infantry, so you probably want to play PoD and go really beast heavy. Borka 1 is not super thrilled by that i think, but both Grissel 1 and Doomy 2 likes that, so possibly with those guys i guess? It is pretty narrow and i do think that giving us a third gargantuan was a bit pointless unless they were going to make it a low damage but extreme durability version. Right now it is probably too similar to the MK to see much play... Oh, and there is always the Calandra "mud wrestling" list. SK, Mauler, 3 EBDT and stone. Having those DEF 14-16 EBDTs with star crossed on top ought to be hilarious
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Post by mazog on Jul 29, 2017 20:06:02 GMT
Madrak1 (Cid) and wrong eye might make another interesting mud wrestling list, even if it is short a faction heavy. They can all be def 16 Steady and not need the animus.
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Post by Guest on Jul 29, 2017 20:17:49 GMT
Jep, I like the list more with Madrak1 than with Calandra. Jackhammer is a really good spell with gargossals, and his feat is more impressive than Calandras imo. Don't think Wrong Eye is necessary though. DEF16 is high enough that people need to boost to hit anyway = less damage taken.
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Post by Trollock on Jul 29, 2017 20:57:19 GMT
Fury 5 is way worse than Fury 8 though...
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 29, 2017 21:14:04 GMT
The sea king will find his niche with casters than leverage his increased threat range. His gun is situationally usefull and I can say it is pretty darn good at killing infantry. His animus has some utility but I do think it is incredibly Jankey.
I think if you want a Garg that can bully his way around with his threat range and the potential to remove 2 or 3 heavies with rage and the stone, Than he is a great option. The MK having rage and a fantastic spray is a big competitor. But I do think the sheer Threat of the Sea king is what makes it shine. I'm terrified of it, and so are a lot of people who realize how far the thing can launch accords the table with the right caster. He is underrated imo. I think at 36 points he is a fantastic gargantuan.
I would also like to note that I find WE &a SJ to be overrated. 17 points for a 8" star Crossed is cool. But it eats away a lot of your points and most hordes factions don't need anymore support bloat
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Post by Guest on Jul 29, 2017 21:26:56 GMT
What list would you play Sea King in?
POD Doomy2?
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 29, 2017 22:17:02 GMT
What list would you play Sea King in? POD Doomy2? Grim 1, Calandra, Madrack 1, Doomy's, Those are the ones me and my local troll player brainstorm but there are better people than me who can provide you with actual tourney level lists
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Post by ninjastars on Jul 29, 2017 22:37:18 GMT
Ragnar would be solid. With pulverizer you don't necessarily need a mauler, and then with mulg in POD that's two models that don't need rage.
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Post by Mydnight on Jul 29, 2017 22:37:19 GMT
Kolgrima can strip pathfinder and the sea king can drop terrain.
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Post by mazog on Jul 29, 2017 22:59:11 GMT
Kolgrimma also has Hunter's Mark, so on the off chance she is closer to the enemy than he is, she can extend his threat.
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Post by Trollock on Jul 30, 2017 11:07:18 GMT
Ragnar would be solid. With pulverizer you don't necessarily need a mauler, and then with mulg in POD that's two models that don't need rage. The SK and Mulg can do without Rage in a pinch, but what is the rest of your list? All those things will want Rage as an option anyway, right?
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Post by mazog on Jul 30, 2017 13:13:49 GMT
I almost think that Ragnar, sea king, Mulg might be a sufficient battlegroup for one of the other theme lists, and then you can maybe get by without having rage.
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Post by Trollock on Jul 30, 2017 13:55:00 GMT
But Mulg will not work for the other themes... Unless you are Doomshaper...
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