Cyel
Junior Strategist
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SR 17?
Aug 3, 2017 11:18:04 GMT
Post by Cyel on Aug 3, 2017 11:18:04 GMT
Yeah, it was made for CiD. I just use it for tracking things during the game.
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Provengreil
Junior Strategist
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Posts: 850
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 14:21:43 GMT
Post by Provengreil on Aug 4, 2017 14:21:43 GMT
I still don't get why scenario is so live for some people, it still is very dead for me. Scoring is quite live, sure, but the difference between my score and my opponent's score at the end of the game is pretty consistently 0-2 points (since the actual number doesn't matter any more). I think a lot of it is faction and list dependent. I mostly play Circle and build lists that try to play hard on scenario and attrition but have a solid assasination threat in case things go sour. By nature of the faction and its control casters I tend to keep scenarios very live even though I consistently play grindy factions like protectorate, trolls, and Khador. When I play protectorate it's noticeably harder to keep the scenario a valid win condition over straight attrition. I think that's healthy though, both styles of play are more than achievable and effective on the table. I truly think the 5 point difference is a big deal very much this. As someone who only owns protectorate, I play virtually every game on my table half only and have lost on scenario to even cryx. My slow-ass models, so often, simply do not move far enough to contest certain backline objectives without just running up for the slaughter.
That said, If I can contest a zone, I can often brick the scenario until I can get the attrition in my favor. Also, I'm bad and I can't stop loving everything among our worst stuff (paladins, deliverers, Reznik 1, etc.).
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 14:59:34 GMT
Post by fdf86 on Aug 4, 2017 14:59:34 GMT
It's much better than I expected it was going to be. I played about 10 games in SR17 and I've won by the 5 scenario point margin 3-4 time and another game winning at the end of turns because I was ahead on scenario. I thought my faction(Legion) would have trouble, but I've been pleasantly suprised how it's been going. Favorite scenario is Spread the net. The difference between winning by 5 instead of 6 is massive and I love it. Makes scenario feel much more alive.
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
Post by Big Fat Troll on Aug 4, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
I think a lot of it is faction and list dependent. I mostly play Circle and build lists that try to play hard on scenario and attrition but have a solid assasination threat in case things go sour. By nature of the faction and its control casters I tend to keep scenarios very live even though I consistently play grindy factions like protectorate, trolls, and Khador. When I play protectorate it's noticeably harder to keep the scenario a valid win condition over straight attrition. I think that's healthy though, both styles of play are more than achievable and effective on the table. I truly think the 5 point difference is a big deal very much this. As someone who only owns protectorate, I play virtually every game on my table half only and have lost on scenario to even cryx. My slow-ass models, so often, simply do not move far enough to contest certain backline objectives without just running up for the slaughter.
That said, If I can contest a zone, I can often brick the scenario until I can get the attrition in my favor. Also, I'm bad and I can't stop loving everything among our worst stuff (paladins, deliverers, Reznik 1, etc.). Have you tried cavalry? Yours are both at least decent. You might try running a full boat of Vengers in the Exemplar theme, which itself seems to be catching on. Also, the new Merc/Minion rules might help when those go live.
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 16:19:06 GMT
via mobile
Post by macdaddy on Aug 4, 2017 16:19:06 GMT
Big Fat TrollThat's a 200 dollar investment I don't have the kind of money
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Provengreil
Junior Strategist
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 16:49:03 GMT
Post by Provengreil on Aug 4, 2017 16:49:03 GMT
Me neither. I have one unit of vengers.
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Cyel
Junior Strategist
Posts: 685
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 17:37:38 GMT
Post by Cyel on Aug 4, 2017 17:37:38 GMT
Maybe check for alternatives from other companies if you don't normally play in PP official events in the US ? Generic templar knights with lances and shields shouldn't be too difficult to find.
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SR 17?
Aug 4, 2017 21:10:48 GMT
via mobile
Post by macdaddy on Aug 4, 2017 21:10:48 GMT
Maybe check for alternatives from other companies if you don't normally play in PP official events in the US ? Generic templar knights with lances and shields shouldn't be too difficult to find. While I do this for 40k my local meta isn't as accepting as straight up other company proxies. I only get away with shifting stones as actual rocks because people think it's funny
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Post by pangurban on Aug 4, 2017 23:02:15 GMT
Maybe check for alternatives from other companies if you don't normally play in PP official events in the US ? Generic templar knights with lances and shields shouldn't be too difficult to find. While I do this for 40k my local meta isn't as accepting as straight up other company proxies. I only get away with shifting stones as actual rocks because people think it's funny "Actual rocks" don't sound like using other company's models as proxies. Unless you're talking about those pet rock thingies from way back when.
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SR 17?
Aug 5, 2017 3:38:12 GMT
Post by Big Fat Troll on Aug 5, 2017 3:38:12 GMT
Big Fat Troll That's a 200 dollar investment I don't have the kind of money I did not mean two units. I meant one unit with attendant solos. I might not be using the term incorrectly.
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tanan
Junior Strategist
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SR 17?
Aug 5, 2017 12:16:54 GMT
Post by tanan on Aug 5, 2017 12:16:54 GMT
My 2 cents on SR2017 scenarios:
Scenario 1: Pit II Livability: F Comment: This is least live scenario in SR2017. It's very easy to park a durable model between zones and deny a fast win for your opponent. Contesting objectives make scoring even harder. Concentrate on getting an attrition edge and ignore the scenario win condition.
Scenario 2: Standoff Livability: C Comment: Somewhat live scenario. While the rectangular zone is easy to score, getting the enemy objective is hard and contesting is very easy. If you have a shooty army (to remove the objective) with control elements (to clear circle zones), you can try to win on scenario points.
Scenario 3: Spread the net Livability: A+ Comment: The most live scenario in SR2017. In fact, if you don't score your flag with solo each turn you are probably going to lose. I'm still figuring out how Haley2 can be beaten in this match.
Scenario 4: Breakdown Livability: D Comment: Not as bad as Pit 2 (because this scenario doesn't have contesting objectives), but still very difficult to win with scenario points. If you have a very good control caster and one or two mobile infantry units, you might be able to get a scenario win.
Scenario 5: Outlast Livability: B Comment: If your list has multiple cheap/durable/free combat solos (to score the nearby flag) and you have durable control caster (to not getting killed when you advance towards enemy flag), this is a scenario for you. My favorite scenario when I'm playing rhulics.
Scenario 6: Recon II Livability: B Comment: Similar to standoff (scoring 1 point each turn is easy, scoring more is difficult), but more alive because the flags are more difficult to contest.
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SR 17?
Aug 7, 2017 11:28:17 GMT
Post by celeb on Aug 7, 2017 11:28:17 GMT
I disagree on the Pit II. The outer zones are easier to score du to being shorter than the circular zones of Breakdown and putting a jack in there is usually easier than putting a whole unit in a zone. The objective does cntest, but is also another source of CP.
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SR 17?
Aug 7, 2017 11:53:30 GMT
via mobile
Post by W0lfBane on Aug 7, 2017 11:53:30 GMT
If you happen to have some random horses laying about (or cold one cavalry) why not buy just the human vengers from the parts store I'm sure it comes out less than 100 bucks.
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SR 17?
Aug 7, 2017 13:15:17 GMT
Post by pangurban on Aug 7, 2017 13:15:17 GMT
If you happen to have some random horses laying about (or cold one cavalry) why not buy just the human vengers from the parts store I'm sure it comes out less than 100 bucks. If you're in the US. Or maybe Canada.
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SR 17?
Aug 7, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 7, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
Having now played my first SR17 tourney, scenario seems very lively, the reduction from 6 to 5 to win seems to have made a big difference, and the spread of the zones forces you to play a wide game
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