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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jul 21, 2017 15:56:19 GMT
Dark Alliance Cephalyx theme that's heavily regulated in what Casters (probably limited to Asphyxious2&3 & Deneghra2&3) can be taken and allows a limited amount of Mercenary Cephalyx options that Cryx ordinarily couldn't take. Occult Magic Theme limited to Cryx's spellcasting models the only themes i could find in the old WR was with scaverous and the could only take the overlords and gaspy2 with any cephalyx unit. but that those came out back before they had their own faction. i dont see where people are getting the idea that PP might include them again in mk3 just because of those 2 instances were they were included outside of them being an ally. if it were more, sure. they havent done themes with restricted casters yet, right? so why would you assume they would start just got this very particular instance of 2 units. Mercs and Skorne have themes with specific casters called out. Minions and Ret have themes that only allow specific types of caster.
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Post by pangurban on Jul 21, 2017 16:03:54 GMT
Dark Alliance Cephalyx theme that's heavily regulated in what Casters (probably limited to Asphyxious2&3 & Deneghra2&3) can be taken and allows a limited amount of Mercenary Cephalyx options that Cryx ordinarily couldn't take. Occult Magic Theme limited to Cryx's spellcasting models the only themes i could find in the old WR was with scaverous and the could only take the overlords and gaspy2 with any cephalyx unit. but that those came out back before they had their own faction. i dont see where people are getting the idea that PP might include them again in mk3 just because of those 2 instances were they were included outside of them being an ally. if it were more, sure. they havent done themes with restricted casters yet, right? so why would you assume they would start just got this very particular instance of 2 units. Forges of War doesn't allow all Ret casters. It does allow most, but there is a restriction.
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 21, 2017 16:17:47 GMT
Mercs and Skorne have themes with specific casters called out. Minions and Ret have themes that only allow specific types of caster. Forges of War doesn't allow all Ret casters. It does allow most, but there is a restriction. today i learned... (shrug) i dont see it happening for cryx but maybe.
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Post by Deller on Jul 21, 2017 16:57:14 GMT
Dark Alliance Cephalyx theme that's heavily regulated in what Casters (probably limited to Asphyxious2&3 & Deneghra2&3) can be taken and allows a limited amount of Mercenary Cephalyx options that Cryx ordinarily couldn't take. Occult Magic Theme limited to Cryx's spellcasting models the only themes i could find in the old WR was with scaverous and the could only take the overlords and gaspy2 with any cephalyx unit. but that those came out back before they had their own faction. i dont see where people are getting the idea that PP might include them again in mk3 just because of those 2 instances were they were included outside of them being an ally. if it were more, sure. they havent done themes with restricted casters yet, right? so why would you assume they would start just got this very particular instance of 2 units. There was also Body & Soul, you know the most popular and controversial Cephalyx theme force that was released only 7 months before Forces of Warmachine: Cephalyx. I'm fairly certain PP already had the plans ready to go to release the Cephalyx book, yet gave Cryx a new Cephalyx theme anyway. If Cygnar has a planned Marrowan theme focused on Constance & Precurcors which are their Merc Partsan unit, and Khador now has multiple themes allowing Kayazy which are their Merc Partisans, I don't see why Cryx can't have a theme for their Merc Partisans just because they're more fleshed out in the Mercenary faction.
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 21, 2017 19:53:30 GMT
the only themes i could find in the old WR was with scaverous and the could only take the overlords and gaspy2 with any cephalyx unit. but that those came out back before they had their own faction. i dont see where people are getting the idea that PP might include them again in mk3 just because of those 2 instances were they were included outside of them being an ally. if it were more, sure. they havent done themes with restricted casters yet, right? so why would you assume they would start just got this very particular instance of 2 units. There was also Body & Soul, you know the most popular and controversial Cephalyx theme force that was released only 7 months before Forces of Warmachine: Cephalyx. I'm fairly certain PP already had the plans ready to go to release the Cephalyx book, yet gave Cryx a new Cephalyx theme anyway. If Cygnar has a planned Marrowan theme focused on Constance & Precurcors which are their Merc Partsan unit, and Khador now has multiple themes allowing Kayazy which are their Merc Partisans, I don't see why Cryx can't have a theme for their Merc Partisans just because they're more fleshed out in the Mercenary faction. wow! i totally forgot about that one...
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Post by darkshroud on Jul 21, 2017 19:56:14 GMT
whats that saying? if you want to find out an answer just come up with something thats wrong and people will correct it.
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Post by gobber on Jul 21, 2017 20:10:38 GMT
Once Mercs get their privateer theme they'll have the major bases covered, but I still think they'll need to make a four-star syndicate theme as well. There are just too many Merc models in need of a theme don't make sense anywhere else: Kayazy, nyss, alexia, lesser warlocks, solos like eiryss, reinholdt, etc. As it stands we don't have a jack theme either; something like Jaws of the Wolf that gives you free points for jacks, but really permissive access to units/solos would be very interesting. Would be nice for privateer/dwarf casters to not be limited to a single theme, and for there to be a way to privateers/dwarves with casters not in their theme.
Also, I'm personally hoping for a purist steelhead theme, but that is an incredibly low priority
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jul 22, 2017 22:38:29 GMT
Seems to me there's no need to cover EVERY model under theme. Certain powerful (and questionably balanced) models can easily exist out of theme. They would be the reason to play out of theme depending on how the Merc/Minion in other themes answer turns out.
Personally I'd love to see the answer be that you may include any out of theme model/unit in a theme for the low low price of giving up one of your freebies, whilst still having to pay for the out of theme model/unit.
You really need The Piper? Ok, well he's effectively 8+ points now. Still really need him? I think it's a great way to balance things while still allowing theme diversity.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Jul 22, 2017 22:41:51 GMT
Seems to me there's no need to cover EVERY model under theme. Certain powerful (and questionably balanced) models can easily exist out of theme. They would be the reason to play out of theme depending on how the Merc/Minion in other themes answer turns out. Personally I'd love to see the answer be that you may include any out of theme model/unit in a theme for the low low price of giving up one of your freebies, whilst still having to pay for the out of theme model/unit. You really need The Piper? Ok, well he's effectively 8+ points now. Still really need him? I think it's a great way to balance things while still allowing theme diversity. Well... 1. They've explicitly stated that themes are intended to be the building blocks of list creation. If a model can't be taken in at least 1 theme, it might as well not exist. 2. We're not just talking about specific power solos here - in Retribution alone, we've got Vyre (electromancers), Dawnguard (sentinels, invictors, destors + Solos) and Nyss (the new defenders + solos) that aren't in theme. None of those themes REALLY fit together neatly, so we're probably looking at at least 2, maybe 3 or more themes just to get everything that already exists in a theme.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jul 23, 2017 7:15:25 GMT
If they really intend that EVERY list should be played in theme then they really ought to release more of them. Coming from a faction that's only had one theme, and that being sub standard in several ways, I can tell you it's really frustrating to actually think about NEEDING a theme for a list. Cause I've got one and it's shit. If the game was wholly centered around theme construction then they should have released them at Mk3's start.
As much as I think Pp has learned invaluable lessons and gotten the product better than it ever had been, the road getting here has been a Firetrucking shit show of Kating idiocy. They're obviously not staffed for what they want to do and they're even more unwilling to change their timetables. Theme releases were going ok, ignoring that half of them aren't competitive, until L&L+Grymkin release+spoilerville and all the other horseshit that happens this time of year put everything else on the back burner. Now it feels like they'll be rushing to get out all the crap they teased instead of getting down to brass Firetrucking tacks.
In short I'll believe Pp really wants all lists to be in theme when themes stop being optional.
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Post by gobber on Jul 23, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
PP has explicitly stated that all models will be covered in theme by the end of the year. This will mean 4-5 themes per faction. I believe hungerford mentioned the slow theme rollout was one of their regrets about how they handled mk3, or something to that effect Given Ossyan & House Vyre's involvement in Nyssor's rescue, that may be a natural fit for the nyss theme. I believe Vyros and the dawnguard were involved in that subplot as well, but they make more sense as the 5th theme. Well the skornion and exalted themes are in cid/spoiled respectively, I'd expect those soon and the praetorian theme by the end of the year. And I highly doubt that they're going to double the price of rhupert given their fancy new subscription service includes him (or in this case, her)... imgur.com/a/Mjnao
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Post by tomw on Jul 24, 2017 9:19:06 GMT
Looking through trolls, I'm pretty sure that the only model not included in any themes (if we include northkin) is... everyone's favourite weaponmaster, the trollkin skinner!
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Post by fistedbyhalaak on Jul 28, 2017 17:34:05 GMT
I was about to correct you, but I then realized I forgot about the Kriel Company theme for trolls. It's in that awkward period where it's out of CID but not yet published. So Trolls are covered by 4-5 themes, since they could be smart and just add the Skinner into an existing theme. He's awful anyway, so nobody much cares either way about him.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 28, 2017 19:16:35 GMT
Looking through trolls, I'm pretty sure that the only model not included in any themes (if we include northkin) is... everyone's favourite weaponmaster, the trollkin skinner! Just wait there will be a theme where skinners are FA:U and gain Backstab, Poison, Crit Brutal and Decapitation.
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Post by gobber on Jul 28, 2017 19:39:27 GMT
Looking through trolls, I'm pretty sure that the only model not included in any themes (if we include northkin) is... everyone's favourite weaponmaster, the trollkin skinner! I think Dozer and Smigg are the only other ones. With that animus and association with Gunny they seem like an obvious choice for inclusion in Kriel Company.
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