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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 16, 2017 16:36:57 GMT
What Im worried about is how the Large based MOWs will play out mechanically.
Combat Solos are notoriously tricky because they kinda do...Well not enough of anything. These guys look like bigger, more points expensive Combat solos.
What will they do and will they be worth it?
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 16, 2017 17:03:06 GMT
I get the Centurion comparison but I believe it's misplaced or inevitable. I think it retains too much individuality, much more like a MOW suit crossed over with a Juggernaught chasis, as can be seen by the location of the head, and the pauldron types. if you don't buy the centurion concept, there are also the kastellan robot of legio cybernetica, maybe even more similar to that. But I swear, PP need a new artistic director, at least regarding Khador. But well maybe a new one. They ripped of the grymkins from malifaux and wrath of kings, now they're ripping of things from 40k... Their model quality is nothing to write home about... They really need to step up their game. And the 2 shield are reraeded and horrible. They're going to cover much of the model making him boring to paint. I mean I'm no professional artist and I can make some considerations, why can't they? Why I look at new models and I think: this really sucks. Why indie model makers are making stuff more appealing. They're selling these things for a premium, I demand they put some effort in the concepts. Instead they come up with a 40k ripoff, another bloody chariot and another iron fang pikeman. I mean, wow. Are people paid for this? Looks like a lot of wasted money to me.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 16, 2017 17:11:16 GMT
Instead they come up with a 40k ripoff, another bloody chariot and another iron fang pikeman. I mean, wow. Are people paid for this? Looks like a lot of wasted money to me. I can understand dislike, but this seems just like Hyperbole to me. At least the 40K rip off. It feels like an immense stretch to say they are. 40K didn't invent shoulder mounted guns or thin waists for robots. But I personally also dislike the massive shields. Feels like the whole point of having arms is gone if it's just wielding big ol riot shields. And I also do dislike the chariot. That I feel IS more 40K style, as having a MOW control it feels kinda dumb in the same way that 40k has Space marines never take off their armor (For stupid reasons)
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on Jul 16, 2017 20:20:11 GMT
Space Marines take off their armor all the time.
I agree that none of the models screamed 40k to me though. At least the chariot isn't a flying one like the High Elf eagle chatiot or the Space Wolves hover chariot.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 16, 2017 20:22:34 GMT
Space Marines take off their armor all the time. As In inside Vehicles, or on chariots or other things. It just ends up looking kinda stupid. Least they could do is have closed cockpits. Which is what I also think about the new Chariot. Its just one guy with a cannon! Why not just make it a Winter gaurd and enclose the damned thing?
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on Jul 16, 2017 20:48:42 GMT
Space Marines take off their armor all the time. As In inside Vehicles, or on chariots or other things. It just ends up looking kinda stupid. Least they could do is have closed cockpits. Which is what I also think about the new Chariot. Its just one guy with a cannon! Why not just make it a Winter gaurd and enclose the damned thing? Well if the vehicle explodes during the battle you don't want to be left high-and-dry with no power armor on.. That shit takes like 20 people to put on and off.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jul 16, 2017 21:03:17 GMT
As In inside Vehicles, or on chariots or other things. It just ends up looking kinda stupid. Least they could do is have closed cockpits. Which is what I also think about the new Chariot. Its just one guy with a cannon! Why not just make it a Winter gaurd and enclose the damned thing? Well if the vehicle explodes during the battle you don't want to be left high-and-dry with no power armor on.. That shit takes like 20 people to put on and off. They should totally make the hMOW BE a dragoon. After you destroy it, a hMOW gets placed inside the huge base area.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Jul 16, 2017 21:13:17 GMT
Well if the vehicle explodes during the battle you don't want to be left high-and-dry with no power armor on.. That shit takes like 20 people to put on and off. Then make the vehicle more secure. Maybe if you didn't add redundant systems so people inside don't die in an impact, maybe then the vehicle would explode less likely.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 16, 2017 22:47:03 GMT
But I swear, PP need a new artistic director, at least regarding Khador. But well maybe a new one. They ripped of the grymkins from malifaux and wrath of kings, now they're ripping of things from 40k... Their model quality is nothing to write home about... They really need to step up their game. And the 2 shield are reraeded and horrible. They're going to cover much of the model making him boring to paint. I mean I'm no professional artist and I can make some considerations, why can't they? Why I look at new models and I think: this really sucks. Why indie model makers are making stuff more appealing. They're selling these things for a premium, I demand they put some effort in the concepts. Instead they come up with a 40k ripoff, another bloody chariot and another iron fang pikeman. I mean, wow. Are people paid for this? Looks like a lot of wasted money to me. I don't know what you're talking about. Models released in 2017 were pretty good so far.
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Post by skathrex on Jul 17, 2017 13:10:03 GMT
To break the lance for the skulpts I really like the Large MoW.
I was always drawn to the Castelan Robots and Shoulder mounted guns. The huge Shields might be boring to paint, but will be really nice for Battle Damage, and I find the general astethic fitting for Khador. Its the core of practical thinking. "our biggest enemy likes to shot us, so why not get bigger shields so we can shot them while they can't shoot us...genius!"
the BE however...doesn't really get me atm.
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Post by Cambrius on Jul 17, 2017 16:13:44 GMT
I like the idea of the hMoW being a dragoon with the new BE. It would help with reconciling - in my ind, at least - having a MoW on a large base. To me, the whole point was to have them acting in place of light 'jacks and that means medium bases.
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Post by killermuppet on Jul 20, 2017 21:01:47 GMT
Here is one thing that is driving me nuts, Khador has taken over Llael years ago and they plundered the Golden Crucible for all kinda of goodies (rocketeers are one benefit of this), but the best thing that can happen for Man O Wars is they get bigger guns? I think it would have been cool to get some rockets or Alchemical upgrades for our beloved MoWs?
The original idea that Shocktroopers acted as the meat shield for the demo corps so they could get close and freeze and break shi... Stuff while the Bombardiers lobbed explosive mayhem over everyone's head was awesome, never worked that way, but was awesome. Privateer had a really good opportunity to make this happen and even improve upon this, but I think they are falling flat. As everyone else has pointed out the Chariot of Fire is a bust so far, they could have made it more like a mobile pill box on tracks and I would have been like, "that is cool", but I think all the cool innovative stuff will be reserved for the new Llael faction coming out (Rocketeer men and tanks anyone/)
We are really going to have to accept is Privateer sees Khador as the Axe and Shield Faction. We don't get anything cooler then heavy armor plate, freezing spells, and AoE style guns. We could have gotten Rocket packs on the front line MoWs. Imagine a front line of Shocktroopers and Roman Legionnaire style MoWs with a rocket packs to shoot over their shields. Behind them Demo Corps and "Heavy" MoWs hitting enemy troops over this front lines head. Bombardiers and "Sniper" MoWs clearing hardened positions or groups. All the while Drakuns and "Gun Drakuns" strike the side and probe for weaknesses. It could have been cool to see a Tracked gun/rocket platform for MoWs, but this just a pipe dream now. This would have been really cool for a breeching weapon.
Maybe someone from Privateer may see this and rethink the models to make them fit, that way they don't loose a lot of time in resculpting.
Just my 2cp,
- Da Muppet
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Post by tapecrawler on Jul 21, 2017 1:01:24 GMT
What would be cool if the MOW chariot fires a linear breacher like the ones used to clear minefields. I'm not sure how practical game wise that would be, but it seems like it would be fun trying to position it for maximum damage. Or maybe it's an earthquake gun that fires a 4" AOE that knocks down everything. Otherwise it's probably going to be another AOE with abysmal RAT. Like pretty much every other AOE weapon we have . . . 😞
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Post by zerfius on Jul 21, 2017 12:36:07 GMT
What would be cool if the MOW chariot fires a linear breacher like the ones used to clear minefields. I'm not sure how practical game wise that would be, but it seems like it would be fun trying to position it for maximum damage. Or maybe it's an earthquake gun that fires a 4" AOE that knocks down everything. Otherwise it's probably going to be another AOE with abysmal RAT. Like pretty much every other AOE weapon we have . . . 😞 Just based on the model, and I know others have talked about this before, I believe it will have our typical crap base RAT. But I think it is going to be more of a gun platform that once it stops, it can aim and gain something like stabilize that gives it a big boost to RAT. The support struts on the back suggest this. Also, and this might have just been how they showed the picture, it looks like the model that drives the chariot may be removable. If this is the case, it might be like a dismount where if the chariot is destroyed, the MOW on board can hop off and wreck stuff. Or at least just be a nuisance. I am sure I am just reading too much into the picture as the horses are not there either, but why else put a dude in full armor on an armored chariot? -Z
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Post by ozvelpoon on Jul 21, 2017 16:38:04 GMT
HOLD THE PHONE
I just took a closer look at the BE picture in NQ 73, and that is not a cannon... THAT'S A CHAIN GUN.
If you look by the purple scratches on the left side you can see the ammo belt going into the breach from a hopper, and under the quill is multiple barrels like on Strakhov1's gun.
The LL footage is pretty clearly a cannon so I am now confused. Either they had a design change between concept art and 3d render or maybe we have the first interchangeable weapon in the game?
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