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Post by Sarcastastic on Jul 11, 2017 3:23:08 GMT
I mean, looking for a cheap piece to trade with a crit effect, the Night Troll is cheaper and has two chances at the crit paralysis, albeit with significantly less damage potential. 3 initials is nice though.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Jul 11, 2017 9:19:43 GMT
I´m glad that I recently started to buy Trollblood models.
Edit: It´s unbelievable how good the Bears and Handler are! Compare them to Champions: there is almost no competition between these two. Same cost, but Champions are totally inferior in any aspect.
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skurkious
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Post by skurkious on Jul 11, 2017 18:12:08 GMT
What are the stats on the bears?
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Post by waraldir on Jul 12, 2017 10:52:33 GMT
Do you think the bears are to powerfull? In the CID Forums there are much people who say they should cost 12 Points, They are stronger then Champs and longrider.
In my mind this is not the best point of view. As known our infaterie is really bad, as our longriders arent the best unit either.
Now there isa Unitwhich is really nice for their points, and the people want it to be weaker.
In my opinion this is not what cid should be for. When they raise points of the bears, or lower their stats, so that they will compare with our infanterie its not what i was hoping for.
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Post by zwergenkrieger on Jul 12, 2017 12:48:51 GMT
Do you think the bears are to powerfull? Yes, I think so. They are overly powerful. I regularly play Hutchuk and to some extent Farrow Commandos as well as Bog Trog Ambushers and these bears outshine every single ambushing unit I´ve ever seen on the field.
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Post by trollsareblue on Jul 12, 2017 14:44:15 GMT
Do you think the bears are to powerfull? Yes, I think so. They are overly powerful. I regularly play Hutchuk and to some extent Farrow Commandos as well as Bog Trog Ambushers and these bears outshine every single ambushing unit I´ve ever seen on the field. But are they too powerful in Trollbloods? My answer is no. They fill a badly needed hole. If they were upped to 10 pts, that would be fine. More than that and you'd be better off taking an Earthborn.
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Post by allinontrolls on Jul 12, 2017 15:17:49 GMT
At the moment we are the bottom tier faction. We should stop comparing models with other models u do not play at the moment instead of looking at other factions. To be honest the only reason for champs at the moment is that they are northkin and profit from our new elder and other stuff. Bears are a step into playing more infantry in the future.
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skurkious
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Post by skurkious on Jul 12, 2017 15:43:29 GMT
Seriously for those of us without a CID account, could you please provide the bears rules?!! ;-)
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Post by Cryptix on Jul 12, 2017 16:49:51 GMT
It's in one of the other threads, check Trolls general. I'll edit my initial post with links.
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Post by Trollock on Jul 12, 2017 17:47:11 GMT
Seriously for those of us without a CID account, could you please provide the bears rules?!! ;-) Just register on the CID forum. It might take a day before you get approved, but just do it. It is no different than any other forum except that they have manual approval of the accounts to avoid bots.
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Post by mattmcd on Jul 12, 2017 18:22:11 GMT
Do you think the bears are to powerfull? Yes, I think so. They are overly powerful. I regularly play Hutchuk and to some extent Farrow Commandos as well as Bog Trog Ambushers and these bears outshine every single ambushing unit I´ve ever seen on the field. I think they are powerful, but not 12 points. We have to pay points for the units that buff/support the bears, and everyone is talking about how powerful they are with the buffs. If the buff is a problem change it, but leave our bears alone! I want a unit that I actually WANT to run!
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Post by allinontrolls on Jul 12, 2017 18:51:18 GMT
Also if they ambush they do not get the +2 str and armor . They are good at killing models with armor and boxes like champions or warders but if they fight cheap infantry they struggle. Don't get me wrong they are really good and perhaps in combination with elder a bit too good but not every list wants to play the new elder and trolls are really missing good infantry options to kill some heavy stuff outside of madrak2.
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Post by waraldir on Jul 12, 2017 21:31:54 GMT
Do you think the bears are to powerfull? Yes, I think so. They are overly powerful. I regularly play Hutchuk and to some extent Farrow Commandos as well as Bog Trog Ambushers and these bears outshine every single ambushing unit I´ve ever seen on the field. As i said ... You have to See trolls. Kg the Bears get weaker, or they cost more, sou better Take a heavy Warbeast. Trolls are missing Things others have. We have no arc nodes. Our infanterie is crap. And Now There comes finally a Good Unit and all want to get it more cost intensive. Khador runs heavies for 10 Points. Cygnar runs Everything they want, Legion is like a pain train. When units like These Bears get nerfed, trolls will Stay as they are atm. At the Bottom. Thats the Problem.
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Post by mattmcd on Jul 12, 2017 23:01:50 GMT
I'm gonna rant for a moment.
The Bears being 9 points and capable of killing a heavy when buffed do not mean they are under "priced" at their point level.
Take a unit like Dawnguard Sentinals. Weapon Masters who can charge and ruin your entire game in a single activation. With buffs such as drop the lowest dice and such they have the potential to take two heavies off the board in a single turn. They're nasty. They change the way I have to play the board or I get wrecked by them. Thankfully, I can play smart and they're not as effective.
The same is true with these Bears. Just because they can put 40 pts of damage into a high arm target does not mean that they'll be able to every game. It means they'll be able to if the opponent doesn't strategize around their strength. Present them with targets that they cannot gang in areas of the board where they cannot be buffed.
As a troll player I've been dealing with these kind of units the entire time I have played. Why is a Trolls unit that causes these kind of strategic issues a problem?
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Post by Ajax on Jul 12, 2017 23:49:49 GMT
As a troll player I've been dealing with these kind of units the entire time I have played. Why is a Trolls unit that causes these kind of strategic issues a problem? Yep, wholeheartedly agree with you here. Not sure why Trollblood players aren't ever allowed to have nice things, but if I had to take a guess, it's because the Troll players themselves are always first to cry foul.. Bears look fine where they're at tbh. People are pricing them at what old Champions used to be at, which is the wrong direction to take since Champs have gotten cheaper.
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