ware86
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Post by ware86 on Mar 23, 2017 12:42:29 GMT
It is just everything I feared it would be (or even worse). I had the fear we would only see the few good Themes and that they would create a complete unbalanced game. Our result is so far: 1.A few very strong themes will be nearly the only way, we will see some Factions play. 2. Those who don't have a strong theme will play over 10 points down. We will see how balanced the result will be ? #Playtest....
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 23, 2017 12:52:17 GMT
If theme forces are to be a staple and featured very often I wonder they dont just increase the ppint limit to 100 across the board and give abilites/senario effects for im theme armies. Or att the very list start adding a few exclusions to casters to some lists. I mean some Theme Forces do have caster exclusions. All of the current Merc & Minion Themes have caster restrictions as well as Ret's Forges of War which denies Ossyan & most likely Goreshade4.
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Post by Aries on Mar 23, 2017 12:53:56 GMT
Theme lists are hard to love, as they feel like they've built on a template, then 1 or 2 things have changed to make them look different.
As for spam lists, I understand the hate against them, it's pretty boring to face a gunline/brick which exploits one advantage to it's limits. However, I use my Mags2 Freebooter spam list quite often, and none of my opponents complain about it, cause it's pretty funny to see how the booters send everything to the air with tramples and throws, run ludicrously fast, or dogpile on a kd'ed target and mush it into the pavement. I see that this list stays manageable to the opponent, cause booters are still not much of a fighters and their armor isn't so thick, so I have my losses with it, even if it has similar amount of damage boxes as a Mad Dog spam. I think the point is to just find a combo that isn't so OP to terrorize the whole meta.
So I think I agree with those who says that the game shouldn't encourage you to make spamlists, but there are certain combos which are still fun even if it's a spam, so I would feel sad if the whole thing gets completely removed from the game.
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Post by schostoppa1 on Mar 23, 2017 12:57:28 GMT
If theme forces are to be a staple and featured very often I wonder they dont just increase the ppint limit to 100 across the board and give abilites/senario effects for im theme armies. Or att the very list start adding a few exclusions to casters to some lists. I mean some Theme Forces do have caster exclusions. All of the current Merc & Minion Themes have caster restrictions as well as Ret's Forges of War which denies Ossyan & most likely Goreshade4. Ya. I meant actually restricing themes down to a handful of casters. For example as much as i like ghostfleet with denny. why isnt it only for our pirate casters? Granted im not up to snuff with the fluff but im meaning just from gameplay perspective. I understand mercs and minions are their own beasts. They are pretty much premade theme armies so they will be much more restrictive.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 23, 2017 13:00:23 GMT
I mean some Theme Forces do have caster exclusions. All of the current Merc & Minion Themes have caster restrictions as well as Ret's Forges of War which denies Ossyan & most likely Goreshade4. Ya. I meant actually restricing themes down to a handful of casters. For example as much as i like ghostfleet with denny. why isnt it only for our pirate casters? Granted im not up to snuff with the fluff but im meaning just from gameplay perspective. I understand mercs and minions are their own beasts. They are pretty much premade theme armies so they will be much more restrictive. Most warcasters can get whatever army they want. If Denny were going to attack the Cygnaran coast, she'd totally have pirates.
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 23, 2017 13:07:49 GMT
I mean some Theme Forces do have caster exclusions. All of the current Merc & Minion Themes have caster restrictions as well as Ret's Forges of War which denies Ossyan & most likely Goreshade4. Ya. I meant actually restricing themes down to a handful of casters. For example as much as i like ghostfleet with denny. why isnt it only for our pirate casters? Granted im not up to snuff with the fluff but im meaning just from gameplay perspective. I understand mercs and minions are their own beasts. They are pretty much premade theme armies so they will be much more restrictive. Because if PP actually limited The Ghost Fleet to Warcasters who actually lead the Ghost Fleet in the Fluff it would be limited to Terminus only. The only other pirate casters in Cryx are Skarre & Aiakos and they're not part of the Ghost Fleet, they're part of the Black Fleet, which according to rumor is getting its own theme force.
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Post by schostoppa1 on Mar 23, 2017 13:10:10 GMT
Fair point. But that is mixing real world (as real as we can be in a fictional universe) logic into a closed system game that doesnt always follow commen sense. Just because a caster has access to type of model in the fluff wouldnt mean that caster excels in that aspect of unit type.
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Post by schostoppa1 on Mar 23, 2017 13:11:20 GMT
Ya. I meant actually restricing themes down to a handful of casters. For example as much as i like ghostfleet with denny. why isnt it only for our pirate casters? Granted im not up to snuff with the fluff but im meaning just from gameplay perspective. I understand mercs and minions are their own beasts. They are pretty much premade theme armies so they will be much more restrictive. Because if PP actually limited The Ghost Fleet to Warcasters who actually lead the Ghost Fleet in the Fluff it would be limited to Terminus only. The only other pirate casters in Cryx are Skarre & Aiakos and they're not part of the Ghost Fleet, they're part of the Black Fleet, which according to rumor is getting its own theme force. See. My fluff ignorance is showing.
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 23, 2017 13:36:46 GMT
Because if PP actually limited The Ghost Fleet to Warcasters who actually lead the Ghost Fleet in the Fluff it would be limited to Terminus only. The only other pirate casters in Cryx are Skarre & Aiakos and they're not part of the Ghost Fleet, they're part of the Black Fleet, which according to rumor is getting its own theme force. See. My fluff ignorance is showing. Yea the Ghost Fleet is lead by Rengrave and operates Warcaster independent 99% of the time. Terminus just happens to be in charge of the entirety of Cryx's navy, so Rengrave technically answers to him, but Rengrave does a good enough job that Terminus usually just lets him do his own thing unsupervised.
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