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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 24, 2017 17:24:46 GMT
So I'm trying to find a defensive list option. I don't want to play "meta" lists but I'm not against the popular casters. Thagrosh is pure gold. Saeryn is a tool box missing a hammer. But Fyanna is a very nice mix of just about everything. I just don't want to run Angels, Neraphs, and so on. That's just me. So I'm looking at something less obvious. The idea started when I was trying to find the most capable spot for Legionaires. Fyanna gives the highest combined def buffs. So I'm taking that another step towards extreme. conflictchamber.com/#ba1bgNfuaKbbbbfUfUbdbdaWbxa_Legion Army - 75 / 75 points (Fyanna 2) Fyanna, Torment of Everblight [+28] - Blightbringer [38] - Nephilim Protector [10] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Strider Deathstalker [4] Strider Deathstalker [4] Blighted Nyss Legionnaires (max) [15] - Captain Farilor & Standard [5] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] With the blightbringer's aura selection you can get some utility. On a basic turn you can look at having def12 arm21 or def14 arm19 against shooting, with immunity to blast damage. On Feat you can get up to def17 versus shooting or def15 arm 24 immune to blast, knockdown, and stationary. They still won't stand up to heavy jacks/beasts. But this is intended to go into more gun focused armies. E-Leaps and most guns aren't going to take them down without perfect 12s. So the argument is then that they don't do damage. With the BB aura they can be pow 12. With Fury they can got up to 15. That's not that bad. It comes at the loss of the defense stack but after they get into the lines, their defensive role is done. Then the real damage comes from the potential pow16 weapon masters.
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Post by yourmumrang on May 24, 2017 20:12:10 GMT
I would maybe look to Wrong Eye and Snapjaw with Swordsmen? Maybe a BB?
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 24, 2017 20:57:48 GMT
I have, since fyanna released, thought if building a legionnaire list with her and this one isn't bad at all. Pow 15 with combined Melee is kinda damaging.
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Post by cainuslupus on May 24, 2017 21:42:32 GMT
So I'm trying to find a defensive list option. I don't want to play "meta" lists but I'm not against the popular casters. Thagrosh is pure gold. Saeryn is a tool box missing a hammer. But Fyanna is a very nice mix of just about everything. I just don't want to run Angels, Neraphs, and so on. That's just me. So I'm looking at something less obvious. The idea started when I was trying to find the most capable spot for Legionaires. Fyanna gives the highest combined def buffs. So I'm taking that another step towards extreme. conflictchamber.com/#ba1bgNfuaKbbbbfUfUbdbdaWbxa_Legion Army - 75 / 75 points (Fyanna 2) Fyanna, Torment of Everblight [+28] - Blightbringer [38] - Nephilim Protector [10] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Strider Deathstalker [4] Strider Deathstalker [4] Blighted Nyss Legionnaires (max) [15] - Captain Farilor & Standard [5] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15] With the blightbringer's aura selection you can get some utility. On a basic turn you can look at having def12 arm21 or def14 arm19 against shooting, with immunity to blast damage. On Feat you can get up to def17 versus shooting or def15 arm 24 immune to blast, knockdown, and stationary. They still won't stand up to heavy jacks/beasts. But this is intended to go into more gun focused armies. E-Leaps and most guns aren't going to take them down without perfect 12s. So the argument is then that they don't do damage. With the BB aura they can be pow 12. With Fury they can got up to 15. That's not that bad. It comes at the loss of the defense stack but after they get into the lines, their defensive role is done. Then the real damage comes from the potential pow16 weapon masters. That list looks really interesting, until you meet Widowmakers or Deathstalkers. Even then it looks solid. With that speed you will obviously take the charge on the chin, so Wrong Eye and Snapjaw are valid options. I've seen them doing wonders in Cryx brick lists. I'm starting to think if Warspears could work in place of Legionaires. That list is really inspiring, will have to think about it.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 25, 2017 1:24:18 GMT
I have already used them in this sort of set up before, minus the blightbringer. I liked it even then. but it's so much that you can't rely on. it's only one good turn. But I'm getting better at making that one good turn count. So it's not the worst.
I don't like Warspears except in a few very specific situations. So for this purpose of being a tanky jamming unit the number of bodies and the likelihood of triggering vengeance win the argument in my book. But I do see the viability. Without relying on mini-feat and the bonus of set defense, Warspears would probably be just as or more capable.
17 points for Wrong Eye is still a lot of points. Not sure how to rework it
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 25, 2017 1:38:15 GMT
It takes 129 total damage to destroy a unit of Spears with attachment if they were in this list. A unit of legos here under mini feat take 280 damage to destroy.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 25, 2017 12:24:01 GMT
I think that math is a bit off, but the idea holds true. Wall of steel, mini feat, iron flesh, and BB aura the Legionaires are armor 24. So it takes 25 points of damage to kill, times 12 models = 300 damage Even without the mini-feat you're looking at 252 (21 * 12)
War spears base 16, iron flesh, aura, 5 boxes. Arm 20 +5hp so it takes 25 damage to kill, exactly the same. Just half the number of bodies so half the total damage soaked; 150.
Def then makes all that wonky. I don't have oddsmachines.
I also just want to make a pow 20, or two, five man CMA. Cuz I think it's funny.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 25, 2017 12:52:48 GMT
I think that math is a bit off, but the idea holds true. Wall of steel, mini feat, iron flesh, and BB aura the Legionaires are armor 24. So it takes 25 points of damage to kill, times 12 models = 300 damage Even without the mini-feat you're looking at 252 (21 * 12) War spears base 16, iron flesh, aura, 5 boxes. Arm 20 +5hp so it takes 25 damage to kill, exactly the same. Just half the number of bodies so half the total damage soaked; 150. Def then makes all that wonky. I don't have oddsmachines. I also just want to make a pow 20, or two, five man CMA. Cuz I think it's funny. I think that's what I got before I added in the UAs
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Post by mallios on May 25, 2017 16:17:11 GMT
You should also factor in that approximately two Warspears will be Tough, so another 42 damage to finish them off
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Post by DanX on May 26, 2017 22:17:26 GMT
This set up.with Kallus1 works well, so should be fun with Fyanna too.
Giving legionnaires unyielding is cool. His fest is fun. I was camping ignite on the legionnaires,. And it turns out that charging ps12, with 2 or 3 man CMA can kill stormlances, while.being highly resistant to electro leaps!
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Post by cainuslupus on May 27, 2017 6:01:03 GMT
This set up.with Kallus1 works well, so should be fun with Fyanna too. Giving legionnaires unyielding is cool. His fest is fun. I was camping ignite on the legionnaires,. And it turns out that charging ps12, with 2 or 3 man CMA can kill stormlances, while.being highly resistant to electro leaps! The main problem is getting there. Legos are Spd5 without pathfinder.
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Post by DanX on May 28, 2017 11:57:27 GMT
The blight bringer is slow too though, and if you run them in front of him and Kallus, you get him quite far up the table, while giving them a plus 4 arm buff. I had a pick of incubi solos too, so they have to snipe out 4 guys to get los to Kallus. It was really fun. They eventually proc vengance and then they threat quite far. Or you get so close you want to feat, then the turn after kill everything near by with Dark guidence, blightbringer and Whatever is left. Fyanna is a lot quicker though so hanging out behind the Legionaires might not be such a good choice.
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tanan
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Post by tanan on May 28, 2017 20:40:38 GMT
My friend ran this defensive(?) list successfully today:
Kallus, Wrath of Everblight [-30] ^ Proteus [19] ^ Nephilim Protector [10] ^ Shredder [4] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Blighted Nyss Warlord [5] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (full unit) [15] Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (full unit) [15] Blighted Nyss Legionnares (full unit) [15] ^ Captain Farilol & Standard) [5] Hellmouth [6] Hellmouth [6]
- Hellmouths are super annoying: 3 die attacks rolls for respawning tentacles, unyielding + impervious flesh, + 3DEF during feat turn and if you manage to kill a tentacle, it becomes a incubi.
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Post by snotling on May 28, 2017 20:44:47 GMT
Changing the legionaires and the shredder for two units of grotesques is still the better list imo. They can buy the swordmen so much time...
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tanan
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Post by tanan on May 29, 2017 11:40:05 GMT
Can't do that because of minimum battlegroup. Legionaires were also pretty good with that vengeance and minifeat. Warlord could be dropped, however.
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