ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on May 16, 2017 12:32:59 GMT
Wouldn't it be great is charge of the trolls was "Faction Friendly warriors models get +2 melee attack and +2 melee damage if they are within 5 inch of this model at the start of their activation."
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Post by Trollock on May 16, 2017 14:57:39 GMT
We should have it breathing fire and dispensing milk shake while we are at it
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on May 16, 2017 15:14:59 GMT
It'd be even better if it was +4! ;-)
Although I agree that I rarely ever use Charge of the Trolls. That guy gives me +2 def on the way in and then blocks lanes. Lol
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mazog
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Post by mazog on May 16, 2017 16:21:47 GMT
I used Charge of the Trolls a lot when I switched to Madrak2 in the Journeyman league. In fact, about all my beasts did in that league was run in to trigger it for the Fennblades.
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A-Mo
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Post by A-Mo on May 16, 2017 16:32:51 GMT
TOTALY BROKEN. You can't have solos running around trivially giving +2/+2 to models. This sounds like some sort of crazy thing you might find in Cygnar! possibly on a cavalry solo that cranks up damage on an broken-ass cavalry unit? I don't think so. Might as well throw in a light warbeast with a decent gun that also trivially adds +2 damage. Madness, Madness I say. If you haven't guessed, I hate Cygnar.
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A-Mo
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Post by A-Mo on May 16, 2017 16:44:36 GMT
To the actual post, I think within 5" would be to good for what the Chronicler does now. He'd have to go up some points in my opinion. The problem lies more with haveing a lot of under-preforming unit options (again, personal opinion). I'd rather see our units reworked to help alleviate some support bloat.
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Post by tiberius on May 16, 2017 17:11:39 GMT
What does the cephelex guy (the agitator?) do for other cephelyx? It could probably be made something similar to that. But I like the different options he brings, if you start doing an aura buff like that, you are paying for a better offensive stone and would cost similarly.
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A-Mo
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Post by A-Mo on May 16, 2017 17:27:48 GMT
Agitator is +2/+2 while in command (5"). Basically exactly what the OP suggested.
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Post by Trollock on May 16, 2017 18:02:42 GMT
no, he suggested you only had to activate within 5" to get the bonus. that is a HUGE difference, cause the chronicler can stay way further back.
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A-Mo
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Post by A-Mo on May 16, 2017 18:10:41 GMT
Ah, got that part mixed up. Yes, that is a huge difference.
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Post by Sarcastastic on May 17, 2017 4:23:51 GMT
If it was something like "within X inches of a troll warbeast" or even just a target warbeast, that would probably be miles better than it already is without being too unreasonable, no? Then again, I have literally never used/had opportunity to use charge of the trolls, so my experience is probably not the best to draw from.
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ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on May 17, 2017 5:34:19 GMT
It is nice to see such a discussion going on Indeed my suggestion was way too good. But I think that ability needs rework. "within X inches of a troll warbeast" would be a big improvement. Also only a +2 damage would be more realistic We already can get +2 attack from the fellcaller.
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Post by Trollock on May 17, 2017 8:08:20 GMT
yeah, sorry for being so sarcastic in the first post and sort of setting the tone of the thread. But the suggestion is fairly unreasonable. Our infantry needs some loving for sure, but giving all infantry +2/+2 just paints them in to a corner where we can never get any nice things. It is a better idea to fix the infantry, since the chronicler is fine as is.
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Post by macdaddy on May 17, 2017 11:21:05 GMT
I will say that, having been on the receiving end of a successful charge of the trolls maneuver when it does go off things tend to die in horrible ways especially when champs suddenly become Pow 14 WM its defanitekey a pain to get going through, darn those medium bases!
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Post by trollquinn on May 17, 2017 14:13:14 GMT
I'm planning on trying to get my scouts to Pow 16 with gang and charge of the trolls with the +1from the stone... I'm not sure how well the plan will come together but we will see
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