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Post by Cryptix on May 16, 2017 18:03:16 GMT
I personally think Khador has no bad casters, just a bad meta. For example - Kozlov is badky needed versus the Haley2 Disruption + Hurricane lists.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on May 17, 2017 2:36:33 GMT
We do, however, have some bad models.
Except for the Spriggan. Right @soulsamaurai? The Spriggan is awesome.
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Post by Netherby on May 17, 2017 3:04:02 GMT
So my take on our casters is this: You can make a decent two list pairing with ANY* of our casters. You can of course also make bad pairings and we have plenty of bad models you can make bad lists with.
*except Butcher2. And his kit is actually really good, it just doesn't make up for getting to a critical turn and saying: 'Okay, if I roll a 1 or 2 I probably lose now.' And rolling a 6 doesn't mean you get to win, even if it did I still wouldn't want to play a caster that had that mechanic.
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Post by borderprince on May 17, 2017 6:55:59 GMT
There was recently an event in my area where you had to choose your casters based on a list of five from each faction that were considered to be the unplayed, untested, unpopular, underpowered, etc. The list for Khador was: Butcher2 Irusk1 Kozlov1 Malakov2 Old Witch1 I wonder if part of this assessment is linked with casters who don't seem to have the right theme list yet? Irusk1 and Kozlov1 are (I think) two of our best MoW casters and that theme isn't out yet. They're both usable in other themes, but I think MoW is where they shine. Zerkova2 needs a reasonable number of spell-casting models, and the only themes that covers are very limited (Malakov1 in WGK, 2xForgeseers in JotW). At present in Khador and several other factions, if the caster doesn't fit well into a theme, then the caster isn't seen as so strong. The list will probably be playing down some points and losing other advantages, so the caster/other elements need to be very strong to make up for that. A merely solid or good caster won't cut it. But if there were a "no themes" event, we might see things mixed up a little. I'd happily take a Kozlov1 MoW+Uhlans list I used early in Mk3 to such an event.
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Post by skathrex on May 17, 2017 7:45:24 GMT
There was recently an event in my area where you had to choose your casters based on a list of five from each faction that were considered to be the unplayed, untested, unpopular, underpowered, etc. The list for Khador was: Butcher2 Irusk1 Kozlov1 Malakov2 Old Witch1 I wonder if part of this assessment is linked with casters who don't seem to have the right theme list yet? Irusk1 and Kozlov1 are (I think) two of our best MoW casters and that theme isn't out yet. They're both usable in other themes, but I think MoW is where they shine. Zerkova2 needs a reasonable number of spell-casting models, and the only themes that covers are very limited (Malakov1 in WGK, 2xForgeseers in JotW). At present in Khador and several other factions, if the caster doesn't fit well into a theme, then the caster isn't seen as so strong. The list will probably be playing down some points and losing other advantages, so the caster/other elements need to be very strong to make up for that. A merely solid or good caster won't cut it. But if there were a "no themes" event, we might see things mixed up a little. I'd happily take a Kozlov1 MoW+Uhlans list I used early in Mk3 to such an event. I think this is a very sound assesment. (even though I don't agree with that list above). Many of our "not so great" casters either lack a theme force or aren't useful in the meta (except maybe Butcher2)
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on May 17, 2017 9:55:44 GMT
I do not think The Old witch is bad at all. Sure, with MKIII running a lot more jacks it hurt her a lot. Now with all the tier list coming out she is going to start shinning again. SHe goes into infantry well and, personally, I think she could deal with the whole storm lance probably with murder of crows and feat fairly well.... there are better answers to that problem though. My picks right now would be: B2 and Malakov 2. Malakov 2 because I just don't get him at all... but I havnt looked at him too much. B2 because random just doesn't cut it. Old Witch is bad in the sense that she doesn't do anything other casters do better. If you know what you're doing with her shes a solid caster but she requires practice to use well whereas Butcher3 for example can assassinate more reliably and with a lot less practice and is easier to keep alive.
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Post by Soul Samurai on May 17, 2017 10:57:34 GMT
We do, however, have some bad models. Except for the Spriggan. Right @soulsamaurai? The Spriggan is awesome. The system won't notify me if you spell my name wrong... And yes, the Spriggan is totally awesome, easily worth 15 or maybe even 16 points!
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Post by ziggyqubert on May 17, 2017 11:08:12 GMT
If you want to look at data for this, take a look at out app wmhbattlereporter.com/#/stats/faction/Khador we are collecting data from the community for just this sort of thing, not 100% accurate but a good place to start
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Post by Armchair Warrior on May 17, 2017 11:19:55 GMT
We do, however, have some bad models. Except for the Spriggan. Right @soulsamaurai? The Spriggan is awesome. The system won't notify me if you spell my name wrong... And yes, the Spriggan is totally awesome, easily worth 19 or maybe even 20 points! @soul Samurai I fixed that for you.
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Post by Soul Samurai on May 17, 2017 11:25:26 GMT
The system won't notify me if you spell my name wrong... And yes, the Spriggan is totally awesome, easily worth 19 or maybe even 20 points! @soul Samurai I broke that for you. I fixed that for you.
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Post by khador247 on May 17, 2017 11:46:33 GMT
Back to Z2 I have only tried her once and that was in MKII. I am curious to try her out once I get my Forge Seers though. With Power Up, Sacrificial Lamb and Empower from the Forge Seers that is a lot of focus for warjacks. The Forge Seers will also like Occult Whispers and her feat.
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Post by Cryptix on May 17, 2017 12:29:59 GMT
I'm going to try this list this weekend, when I have time.
Zerkova2 - Hunk Guard - Decimator 0 - Decimator 8 - Decimator 16 - Decimator 16 Forge Seer 0 - Destroyer 14 Forge Seer 0 - Destroyer 14 Marksman 0 Min Battle Mechanics 3 Min Battle Mechanics 3
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Post by Havock on May 18, 2017 3:02:00 GMT
Pair it with a nearly unfeatable Vlad2 list.
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 19, 2017 12:07:51 GMT
Now that I think of casters that I don't want to touch competitively: Sorscha1 and OW both have good assassination, control feat, conceal on demand and speed up their jacks, but Sorscha1 is plainly better. B3 and B2 are both one man army that speed up and damage buff their jacks and generates focu on feat, but B3 is plainly better. Strakhov2 and Kozlov are both about giving a big portion of their army +spd/arm/damage, but Strakhov2 is plainly better. Harkevich and Malakov2 are both about speeding up their jacks, reposition, saving their battlegroup on feat and having no hit/damage buffs, and I have absolutely no idea which one is better, but Malakov's sculpt is ugly. Z2 won't have a theme this year that can be used with her.
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Post by skathrex on May 19, 2017 12:21:21 GMT
..., and I have absolutely no idea which one is better, but Malakov's sculpt is ugly. Ha! love it! Best Reason ever!
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