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Post by smoothcriminal on May 16, 2017 11:58:21 GMT
It's kinda hard to find a Blaze-tier bad caster in Khador. Sure, there are B2 that no one plays and casters that almost no one plays like OW, Malakov and Kozlov, but you stick them in a theme and they still can kick a relatively serious amount of butt.
It's not hard to make a bad list though. Take lots of kossites, kommandos, greylords, i.e. stuff that can't deal much damage, and don't give them caster with damage buff. You'll autolose to all the jack lists. The other "bad list" is shooting jack spam without rat fixers like s&p or knockdowns. Our heavies are just too inefficient at shooting things without help. Or just plain caster/list mismatch, like taking Hark with infantry spam or Irusk1 with jackspam.
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Post by auraco on May 16, 2017 12:34:00 GMT
No mention of Vlad3? I think he's terrible. He doesn't really do anything special, his feat is probably the worst in faction, infernal machine is not a very good jack buff, he has no way to give free charge to jacks but wants jack for his feat, his killing power depends on your opponent placement. What he has going for him is HoF and Dash, but that's pretty much it. His killing power is kinda sad if your opponent doesn't feed him.
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Post by skathrex on May 16, 2017 13:28:44 GMT
No mention of Vlad3? I think he's terrible. He doesn't really do anything special, his feat is probably the worst in faction, infernal machine is not a very good jack buff, he has no way to give free charge to jacks but wants jack for his feat, his killing power depends on your opponent placement. What he has going for him is HoF and Dash, but that's pretty much it. His killing power is kinda sad if your opponent doesn't feed him. Honestly I just forgot he exists. There are a few people who play them, but 1. people want to like their horse casters and 2. HoF is a pretty strong spell. But yes he has the same problems as mentioned before. He wants to kill infantry. Additonally he also has the Zerkova 2 problem of beeing really specific in what he wants. All my ideas for him start and end with 2 Units of Uhlans and thats it, but with LoS thats not even bad. Hmm maybe I should give him a try^^
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Post by auraco on May 16, 2017 13:51:32 GMT
The biggest problem I have with Vlad3 is that if you want HoF, Vlad2 is simly better and Vlad1 can do kinda the same stuff with S&P. Zerkova brings unique stuff to Khador, he gameplan might have some flaws, but Vlad3's plan is pretty much the same as the Vlads, but worst.
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 16, 2017 14:23:10 GMT
Vlad3's spell list is fantastic. Dash, windwall and hof are all top tier spells. Even if he's worst Vlad, which is arguable, he's still long way to go from being terrible caster.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on May 16, 2017 15:52:18 GMT
Vlad3's spell list is fantastic. Dash, windwall and hof are all top tier spells. Even if he's worst Vlad, which is arguable, he's still long way to go from being terrible caster. I think it's kinda the case that we just don't have terrible casters...
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Post by auraco on May 16, 2017 16:52:40 GMT
Armchair Warrior you're right, we do have a couple of crappy stuff, bombardier, demo corps, kossites, but the khadoran bench is extremely deep and that extend to our caster selection. Even our worst caster are nowhere near as bad as Sturgis or Constance.
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Post by Havock on May 16, 2017 17:13:21 GMT
Just caster or list?
Sorscha2 isn't bad, she lost a lot but that feat man...
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Post by crimsyn on May 16, 2017 17:16:33 GMT
There was recently an event in my area where you had to choose your casters based on a list of five from each faction that were considered to be the unplayed, untested, unpopular, underpowered, etc. The list for Khador was:
Butcher2 Irusk1 Kozlov1 Malakov2 Old Witch1
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 16, 2017 17:17:18 GMT
I actually like Malakov 2 allot and I think he's actually pretty great. He's just very terrain Dependant. Without Obstructions too Mist Through, hes just good. The hell? Hes an Ace caster. Whys he there?
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Post by crimsyn on May 16, 2017 17:21:25 GMT
I actually like Malakov 2 allot and I think he's actually pretty great. He's just very terrain Dependant. Without Obstructions too Mist Through, hes just good. The hell? Hes an Ace caster. Whys he there? I'm guessing: 1. He's doesn't seem that popular, because other casters kind of do similar things but are more popular ("Why take Irusk1 when I can take Irusk2" for example) 2. This event was held before the Iron Fang theme list came out Also, the goal of this list I don't think was to list the "worst" casters but the "unplayed" ones -- which may be meta-dependent, and which while there is some overlap on that venn diagram, may not be exactly the same.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 16, 2017 17:24:26 GMT
I'm guessing: 1. He's doesn't seem that popular, because other casters kind of do similar things but are more popular ("Why take Irusk1 when I can take Irusk2" for example) 2. This event was held before the Iron Fang theme list came out Also, the goal of this list I don't think was to list the "worst" casters but the "unplayed" ones -- which may be meta-dependent, and which while there is some overlap on that venn diagram, may not be exactly the same. But Irusk 1 is pretty banazor regardless. I think hes unpopular because hes just another awesome cake in the fridge. Irusk 1 Can grant reliable Pathfinder and has a Feat turn where the toughness is amazing, and Irusk 2 can grant reliable toughness, but only on his amazing feat turn grant pathfinder. Both casters are really good in my mind.
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on May 16, 2017 17:26:59 GMT
There was recently an event in my area where you had to choose your casters based on a list of five from each faction that were considered to be the unplayed, untested, unpopular, underpowered, etc. The list for Khador was: Butcher2 Irusk1 Kozlov1 Malakov2 Old Witch1 I play 3 of those 5 more than any other casters in Khador :<
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Post by crimsyn on May 16, 2017 17:28:13 GMT
There was recently an event in my area where you had to choose your casters based on a list of five from each faction that were considered to be the unplayed, untested, unpopular, underpowered, etc. The list for Khador was: Butcher2 Irusk1 Kozlov1 Malakov2 Old Witch1 I play 3 of those 5 more than any other casters in Khador :< Agreed -- I play Kozlov regularly, and want to get into B2 as soon as I get some painting done
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Post by rainless on May 16, 2017 18:02:49 GMT
I do not think The Old witch is bad at all.
Sure, with MKIII running a lot more jacks it hurt her a lot. Now with all the tier list coming out she is going to start shinning again. SHe goes into infantry well and, personally, I think she could deal with the whole storm lance probably with murder of crows and feat fairly well.... there are better answers to that problem though.
My picks right now would be: B2 and Malakov 2. Malakov 2 because I just don't get him at all... but I havnt looked at him too much. B2 because random just doesn't cut it.
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