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Post by CrazyUncleDouglas on Sept 20, 2017 17:07:22 GMT
I don't know if anyone has gone back to read any HP Lovecraft recently. He was super progressive for his time, but man.. not cool by our standards at ALL Read him every so often, and yeah. For a real cringe, just check out some old "Power Man" comics. The original Luke Cage was an attempt to capitalize on the popularity of blacksploitation films. Oh yeah, some of that is just ... hoo boy.
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 20, 2017 17:44:24 GMT
Eh... old man HP was not progressive even for his time, he was a crazy racist retrograde
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Post by PrincessSparklefist on Sept 20, 2017 18:05:44 GMT
Oh yeah, that reminds me. In the 1979 issue, Falcon was added to the avengers as a government mandated diversity hire. And no one was Happy about it. Stark even went so far to say that mutants were already a minority so they didn't need any more.
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 20, 2017 18:08:54 GMT
Stark has always been a dick on the other hand
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Post by PrincessSparklefist on Sept 20, 2017 18:17:02 GMT
Because I have nothing better to do, here's the scene I mentioned! Stark at his best....
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 20, 2017 18:26:03 GMT
Well, now that I think of it, Quicksilver has always been an elitist proud ass too, so they are kinda in character there
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Post by CrazyUncleDouglas on Sept 20, 2017 20:02:00 GMT
Oh yeah, that reminds me. In the 1979 issue, Falcon was added to the avengers as a government mandated diversity hire. And no one was Happy about it. Stark even went so far to say that mutants were already a minority so they didn't need any more. I will say that Marvel was somewhat less likely to have a black superhero that didn't include the word "Black" in his/her superhero code name.
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Post by leander on Sept 20, 2017 20:16:30 GMT
i know there'd be legal issues surrounding the decision but i wish they'd name iron heart, iron maiden... lost potential right there. Also i wish they'd give a few more flaws to flesh out her character like actually killing an innocent in an accident due to her being too cocky. the other thing that kinda irks me is marvel's need to give new characters the name of established characters like thor,she could have been named einherjar or something to reflect a mortal with powers of a god IMO
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Post by CrazyUncleDouglas on Sept 20, 2017 20:38:27 GMT
i know there'd be legal issues surrounding the decision but i wish they'd name iron heart, iron maiden... lost potential right there. Also i wish they'd give a few more flaws to flesh out her character like actually killing an innocent in an accident due to her being too cocky. the other thing that kinda irks me is marvel's need to give new characters the name of established characters like thor,she could have been named einherjar or something to reflect a mortal with powers of a god IMO Switch-ups like that happen often. At most they last six to twelve months, sometimes longer. Marvel may be sticking to some of their changes out of stubbornness. Once the switch up ends and the original character is back in his suit, the replacement takes up some other title and continues on. Sometimes the change just clicks right and sticks around, too, because people legitimately like the new character. One of the problems now is that comic books are generally planned some three years down. Your average marketing employee in the comic book industry lasts ... three years. As a result, you get rehashed old ideas because that's what in the playbooks. For the past half a decade or so, Marvel has been marketing its diversity and that's where marketing tends to go (along with major world-changing story arcs, can't forget that at all). They've even a number of successful new characters following this, after all. I really don't blame them at all for trying to diversify their cast. After all, the market has changed a lot in the past several decades. It's not just 8-25 year old white boys/young men reading. So introducing new people in old roles is an easy trick and has done plenty of times before. The problem is that story for a lot of these titles has been getting the short shrift for a while. Honestly, people really wouldn't care about the changes half as much if the writers and editors were making stories that made you want to rush to the store month after month eager to find out what happens next.
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Post by welshhoppo on Sept 20, 2017 21:22:33 GMT
I'm far too poor to be reading comics on top of playing with plastic crack.
Lost with Karchev tonight, he took a Helios to the face and then died.
Sad sad times.
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Post by CrazyUncleDouglas on Sept 20, 2017 21:26:33 GMT
Don't mind me. I'm an old nerd. We can pontificate for hours on this carp.
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Post by tapecrawler on Sept 20, 2017 23:35:49 GMT
I did it again, I went to the Cygnar forum and read about the Gravediggers theme and now I'm all wound up. There is such a beautiful synergy that is incorporated into the theme! I guess when you're the favorite you get all the nice stuff. Trenchers and Rangers count towards free stuff and they get one solo AND one unit from Mercenaries. What bullshit. We get a theme (eventually) for our Man O Wars that is just a pile of skornergistic rules and two new models Tankers and that silly ass Egyptian styled MOW Chariot. That's the thing that really sticks in my craw, PP seems to have really outdone themselves with creating new units and models for Trenchers that mesh well with the existing units to create a complete cohesive package and now they get both Mercenary solos and units? My understanding is the mercenary options were to be applied in a case by case study. That statement led me to believe that it would be an option to shore up the weaker themes and make them competitive not strengthen the better themes and make them uber competitive. If everybody got equivalent themes it would be cool but that isn't how it works out in practice. And the argument that you shouldn't compare crossfaction has always struck me as specious and lazy. They use the same stats, same weapons, same points systems, same spells in general, same special rules, so because each caster has either a unique feat or signature spell they should be considered unique unicorn factions with only a passing relationship to each other? If you think about it critically for a few seconds you'll realize this is silly.
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Post by PrincessSparklefist on Sept 20, 2017 23:45:32 GMT
Don't mind me. I'm an old nerd. We can pontificate for hours on this carp. Seeing as about all I do these days is read comics, I could on and on as well. It's nice having another person to talk to about it too since most of friends aren't too interested. I've started Grant Morrison X-Men run today while waiting outside at a clients appointment.
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Post by tesoe on Sept 21, 2017 0:03:52 GMT
Don't mind me. I'm an old nerd. We can pontificate for hours on this carp. Seeing as about all I do these days is read comics, I could on and on as well. It's nice having another person to talk to about it too since most of friends aren't too interested. I've started Grant Morrison X-Men run today while waiting outside at a clients appointment. I used to read a bunch of print comics. I just can't find the time to keep up anymore. Now my comic intake comes in the form of a few web comics and a couple manga.
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wendan
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Post by wendan on Sept 21, 2017 1:16:32 GMT
Holy crap, the new series of BoJack Horseman is so damn dark!
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