Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on May 2, 2017 9:52:48 GMT
This week we look at the state of Trolls and why you shouldn't be a Mopey Troll PLayer
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Post by trollquinn on May 2, 2017 11:52:50 GMT
I'm no mopey troll, I passed a tough check
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Post by trollsareblue on May 2, 2017 12:16:07 GMT
There's a difference between being "mopey" and realistic. You can play trolls and have fun. You can play to be competitive. Pick one.
I have no faith that PP understands the problems with the faction. Look at the WW CID. The solution to it never being played was to give it more boxes? Really? I also have no faith that a miracle update will occur. I suspect that time has passed. If trolls are lucky, they will get a targeted CID that looks at the infantry or light warbeasts, similar to the Banes CID. I'm not holding my breath.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on May 2, 2017 12:21:52 GMT
There's a difference between being "mopey" and realistic. You can play trolls and have fun. You can play to be competitive. Pick one. I have no faith that PP understands the problems with the faction. Look at the WW CID. The solution to it never being played was to give it more boxes? Really? I also have no faith that a miracle update will occur. I suspect that time has passed. If trolls are lucky, they will get a targeted CID that looks at the infantry or light warbeasts, similar to the Banes CID. I'm not holding my breath. I currently having more fun than I've ever had in Trolls and I've won >75% of my games this year.
It's easy to sit around feeling sorry for yourself, but that doesn't achieve anything. If Trolls are making you sad play a different faction or take a break from the game.
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Post by trollsareblue on May 2, 2017 12:32:36 GMT
There's a difference between being "mopey" and realistic. You can play trolls and have fun. You can play to be competitive. Pick one. I have no faith that PP understands the problems with the faction. Look at the WW CID. The solution to it never being played was to give it more boxes? Really? I also have no faith that a miracle update will occur. I suspect that time has passed. If trolls are lucky, they will get a targeted CID that looks at the infantry or light warbeasts, similar to the Banes CID. I'm not holding my breath. I currently having more fun than I've ever had in Trolls and I've won >75% of my games this year.
It's easy to sit around feeling sorry for yourself, but that doesn't achieve anything. If Trolls are making you sad play a different faction or take a break from the game.
You aren't hearing me. I win most of my games, even in tournaments, even with trolls. I have fun when I play, unless my opponent is a tool. None of that means I'm incapable of recognizing the faction is not in a good place. |
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on May 2, 2017 12:39:26 GMT
I currently having more fun than I've ever had in Trolls and I've won >75% of my games this year.
It's easy to sit around feeling sorry for yourself, but that doesn't achieve anything. If Trolls are making you sad play a different faction or take a break from the game.
You aren't hearing me. I win most of my games, even in tournaments, even with trolls. I have fun when I play, unless my opponent is a tool. None of that means I'm incapable of recognizing the faction is not in a good place. Which I didn't deny in any part of my original post. I said the faction has certain issues and acknowledged that several times.
We've said it very loudly and PP have heard us. Whether they choose to act is out of yours and my hands so there is literally zero point in being mopey or depressed about the state of the faction. It is what it is! My point is that continually complaining serves no purpose at this point so people should, take a break, play a different faction or concentrate on having fun and trying stuff.
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on May 2, 2017 13:34:12 GMT
I have the benefit of only playing since mk3. With that... I never experienced the glory days of mk2 that everyone talks about. When I first began, I had a tough time and lost repeatedly (of course). But the past couple of months I have really put it together. A combination of me learning the methods of winning (and losing) and getting more comfortable with a few casters (Doomy 2, Grissel 2 & Calandra specifically) has lead me to winning 3 in a row and 4 of my last 5.
Here's the thing for me that I just love though. With trolls... I always have fun. Maybe this is true for some people in every faction, but trolls are fun every time I put them on the board. I think they're the best faction to play... regardless of the stats!
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Post by Trollock on May 2, 2017 14:49:28 GMT
I think the "problem" with the faction is not that it is not strong or competitive. It is that literally 75% of the catalogue does not get used in competitive play due to PoD being so strong. I have faith that Northkin theme force will be strong enough to bring another chunk of the faction on the table though, and who knows? maybe BoH will see some love too. If you got free stuff for every 20 points of units (not just the multi wound stuff) that thing would have a place in competitive play for sure. Not in every pairing, but often enough to get me to stop complaining. Finish off with a "shooty" theme force and we are basically all right imo. The transition from having no themes through this awkward period of having SOME themes to having "all" themes is a passing phase. It seems very clear that this is a way to balance the game. Either you play themes and get 10-20% extra stuff and benefits, or you play "vanilla" and get some potentially broken combos. It makes game balancing way easier, cause a combo has to be pretty damned broken to be worth not playing in theme. Not even Rök with Doomy 2 makes the cut and that is pretty damned broken tbh. Once we are at the place where basically every list is a theme force, and basically every model can be included in at least one theme force, things will look way more balanced i think. Im not saying this is how i personally would have balanced the game, but it seems clear to me that it is the path PP took, and it should work out just fine in the end i think. Until then, Enjoy your beasts. I sure am  |
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Post by Sarcastastic on May 2, 2017 21:33:07 GMT
The problem I find right now for trolls, at least in my humble opinion, is I feel my lists start half made. I need to bring stone and mauler, possibly axer in every list. And if not a mauler, then a bomber. If I want to run heavies, I inherently have way less options than other factions, and I see nothing new or shiny coming in the future, while other factions keep getting new stuff. Their new release schedule is kinda just making me feel glossed over, especially when all 3 factions I care about have only one thing on the release schedule combined, and that thing is the most expensive model in the game.
(sorry this kinda transformed from a reply into an airing of my grievances)
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Post by randommovement on May 2, 2017 22:40:08 GMT
Alot of armys have half made lists.
Access to both stone and rage is key for most troll lists. But some lists are showing up with out. I dont mind it most top factions in competitive play have token models we see 3 out of 4 games.
Whats wrong with it? We want the best so we pull from the top models.
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Post by Sarcastastic on May 3, 2017 3:51:07 GMT
The problem is that our half built lists require a 9 (at least) and 15 pt investment. Most "must takes" in other factions are things like Squire, Choir, Beast Handlers. Don't get me wrong. I love my Mauler. But I also feel handicapped if I'm not taking it in Mk3. At least in Mk2 I could throw in a Pyre and barely notice the difference.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on May 16, 2017 18:59:21 GMT
The problem is that our half built lists require a 9 (at least) and 15 pt investment. Most "must takes" in other factions are things like Squire, Choir, Beast Handlers. Don't get me wrong. I love my Mauler. But I also feel handicapped if I'm not taking it in Mk3. At least in Mk2 I could throw in a Pyre and barely notice the difference. Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Kriel Company (CID !!! Your army contains a CID entry. !!! You are using a pre-release theme. (Madrak 3) Madrak, Great Chieftain [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Pyre Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Troll Whelps [4] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Scattergunners (max) [14] - Scattergunner Officer & Standard [0(4)] Trollkin War Wagon (CID) [16] This could be fun, just for something different. |
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