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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 7, 2018 23:37:31 GMT
Played your list twice today. Double champions+ gk really attrition your opponent to death. Both games their were still champs + gk left and my opponent was completly destroyed. Not sure which bad matchups you got after the nemo leap nerf.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 6, 2018 23:04:56 GMT
I am not sure if I would agree with your statement about kolgrima and madrak. The current no1 shooting list is played in skorne. Legion , grymnkin (gremlin swarms sad about kolgrima s spray) , some circle caster really do not wanna face kolgrima. In my current kolgrima madrak pairing. Madrak should play into cryx.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 5, 2018 12:02:43 GMT
In MK1 and 2 I COULD do this (and did often with a random army list generator) and my skill/experience with the game would often offset even a bad 'pull'. Skill and experience still allows me to play non-optimal lists in MK3 with a chance, but that chance decreases significantly when facing a larger army with a decent theme benefit added (depending on opponent's skill level of course). I do not view this as a problem, but an introduced MK3 limitation (or advantage) system that has some of my TB collection literally under my bed, until such a time as CID, hopefully, gives me a reason to field them with confidence. The phrase 'picking 3 units out of a hat' reminds me of Kriel Company, where ranged units/models was the one particular characteristic chosen, with poor consideration for models/army balanced melee destructive capability. In that Theme's regard, not optimal combos currently IS a problem. Are people really storing large numbers of models "under their beds" untouched?
In MK3 I've played runeshapers, Swamp Trolls, Blitzers, Burrowers, Bushwackers, scouts and I'm currently even using a Skinner in my competitive pair.
If people have models that aren't seeing the table then that is a problem with their list building rather than with themes and models. Some are underpowered but still often fill a role because of themes.
I would totaly agree. A lot of people wanna play the new stuff and never consider old models for their lists. Take the NL Masters. Who would suggest a grim2 list with double bushwackers to be competetive and then it won the tournament. Every troll model is playable in a theme list. Knowing and playing your list is way more important then buying and playing the newest/hottest stuff. |
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 4, 2018 18:58:09 GMT
I am not sure if a discussion about "what if..." or "without free points.." really helps. PP made the decission that they wanted the game to be played in themes. Some people like that others don't. I would be really supprised if PP will change their policy so all discussion about what would happen if X would be changed can not be answered.
For trolls i would assume that if their were no theme forces we would see a lot of lists with mulg and champions.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 3, 2018 16:51:53 GMT
I am on a 50 game challange with her and after 30 games i would say she is one of the best all corner casters in Troll i have ever played. I played 2 tournaments with her in Pod and one in Sotn and depending on the list she really differs in playstyle.
Her biggest strength in my opionion is that she always feels that she got a game into almost everything. So it s not really a list chicken.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 2, 2018 22:42:08 GMT
I love the guys of chain attack but I never listened to an episode where i disagree more. No word about the spell immune or mulg as an arc node. Her assassination potential was completely misunderstood.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 2, 2018 9:36:52 GMT
He works very well in PoD. Mulg is a thing fro him for sure. It is the only trollblood list in MK3 that i actually like with no kriel stone. Not sure it is better than with a stone, but it works, especially if you have a narrow range of match ups where you want to play. It does NOT like to be shot at though... Just to get it right.. u would play a PoD list with Pgrim without a stone. I would see reasons for KC lists with pgrim without a stone but a PoD list seems really interesting. Seems like an all shooting list to me. |
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 2, 2018 8:13:34 GMT
I saw a pgrim player playing pgrim in pod with mulg, bomber mk for a good assasination thread. Seems really interesting.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 1, 2018 18:51:43 GMT
I played kolgrima in pod twice and really liked the battlegroup of ebdt, mauler,bomber,mulg, axer. Their is so much synergy in this list playing a knot. Puppet master for kolgrima , bomber + the beast charging your opponent. The assassination thread is soo real could killed the wanderer top of 2 but played on to test the attrition. Not sure about the last 5 points. Tested llanyssa but she does not really impressed me. Would love to hear some ideas. I am not sure if this list could play into the skorne fun line. Second list I will test madrak1 old school in BoH. After gnerd convinced me that madrak is playable vs skarre1 DH. Bone Grinders maybe? Or how about this? I'm not sure she needs the Bomber that badly, so how about two lights instead? That's better for piece trading at least. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bj19DiRiYjp7h0hjqfJfJ6Rfp0li-2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Kolgrima 1) Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Ice Troll [9] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] I think the Knot can probably use Serenity here because the Ice and Storm shoot, the Axer and Mauler spend the first couple turns as buff bots before they go in as a second wave, and Mulg does a bit of both, as I'm learning to not commit him lightly. The Earthborn will always be the first to go in. I went with the Storm Troll to help clear infantry and for CYA against Cygnar, but if you're not so concerned about that and/or want to tweak more for assassinations, a Swamp Troll would be awesome. I managed to get maximum cloudage and then I went with the Northkin Elder to maximize damage from those Shamans and the Ice Troll as well as Granny's big sprays. I never remember to move the stone before sending the dires into melee anyway.  Bone Grinders would be fun if they would increase the spray to 12". My support group is a bit over the top in my opinion (Janissa,Whelps,max Stone+Ua,Runebearer,Knot,5 extra support points) So i am currently running 36 points of support. Thats why i am thinking about switching my list to a different Battlegroup. Basher could be a really nice tool in that list which i wanna test in the future. Pathfinder + crit stagger + puppet master could be really nice + 1" reach for a light + power 14 could deal some damage. I tested Ice Troll / Storm Troll both at the time i did not play a knot and cause of their 10" range they often have to move and then shooting with rat 5 they missed and died cause of base armor of 16. Perhaps i should play them differently but they rarely where point efficient. Expect for the Storm Animus in certain matchups. |
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 1, 2018 15:45:37 GMT
In my opinion the game is really at a healthy level. Their are so many casters currently that are playable like never before. I started playing a lot of games and every game I lost their were several mistakes on my part so I could have won most of them if played correctly. I know some tournament games back in mk2 vs haley2 on incursion where I run turn 1 walked cause of Feat turn 2 and put my stuff back into the box turn 3 cause I lost on scenario without anything I could do differently.
Their are a lot of people who are writing 10x more in forums then playing the game and thinking about the "perfect" list instead of realizing that their are no perfect list just lists that are perfectly for your personal play style.
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Post by allinontrolls on Apr 1, 2018 15:28:37 GMT
I played kolgrima in pod twice and really liked the battlegroup of ebdt, mauler,bomber,mulg, axer. Their is so much synergy in this list playing a knot. Puppet master for kolgrima , bomber + the beast charging your opponent. The assassination thread is soo real could killed the wanderer top of 2 but played on to test the attrition. Not sure about the last 5 points. Tested llanyssa but she does not really impressed me.
Would love to hear some ideas. I am not sure if this list could play into the skorne fun line.
Second list I will test madrak1 old school in BoH. After gnerd convinced me that madrak is playable vs skarre1 DH.
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Post by allinontrolls on Mar 30, 2018 9:11:29 GMT
It is always a big discussion about min or max stone. If you brick with both units of champs the question would be if they could draw line of sight. But i could see the reasons for a max stone. In your current build you lack a bit of magic weapons and upkeep removal. If fighting cryx this could be an issue. Perhaps Eilish instead of Llanyssa or a Sorccer could be an option.
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Post by allinontrolls on Mar 30, 2018 8:20:45 GMT
i would suggest a champ hero if you go for double champs. If their is nothing to screen your champs a ret strike could help soften up or even kill the target. I am not sure if a full stone is realy worth the extra 3 points. Reducing the stone would give u some points to play with. Especially if you are going second a small one would be often enough.
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Post by allinontrolls on Mar 29, 2018 20:11:22 GMT
As long as I got mulg I got sprays for days. I really like feralgeist in pod to secure scenario play. I will test it tomorrow.
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Post by allinontrolls on Mar 29, 2018 19:30:46 GMT
IT would be your list just switching basher+ feral for Storm.
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