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Post by auraco on Feb 12, 2020 13:56:39 GMT
Going to reveal all my secret tech, but I don't care. Well this is going to be my third year going to the OTC, performed fairly well both other years. So, new toys for this year. I wanted to play Flame in the dark for the OTC, but since most of my models for the list are still getting painted and I won't get any practice with the list I'll just go for more familiar list. My current pairing is the following, I'm open to suggestions but I probably won't go for any major change, so no I won't switch one of the list for a Karchev Jaws list for example. conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1GbWlVoR3EoLoL3t3t3B8y2_2vdSniKhador [Theme] Warriors of the Old Faith [Vladimir 3] Vladimir Tzepesci, Great Prince of Umbrey [+27] - Judicator [35] Hermit of Henge Hold [0(5)] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Menite Archon [8] Menite Archon [8] Vassal Mechanik [1] Vassal Mechanik [1] Wrack [1] Yuri the Axe [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Vengers (max) [20] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Initiates of the Wall [7] conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1S777pkWnj8h8hpinf89nf89nfnfnhnnKhador [Theme] Wolves of Winter [Vladimir 2] Vladimir Tzepesci, the Dark Champion [+27] - Destroyer [14] - Juggernaut [13] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Koldun Lord [0(4)] Koldun Lord [4] Void Archon [8] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] - Greylord Escort [3] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [10] Greylord Outriders (max) [17] Greylord Ternion [0(7)] For the Vlad2 list I'm still trying out the Void Archon, still not sure if he's going to stay there or if Fenris is going to go back into the list, I've had good results with Fenris in the list, and ok results with the Void Archon so far, but I've only played two games with the void archon so more testing this weekend. Do I have obvious weakness with this pairing? It is a team tournament after all so I can ask to dodge some match ups if needs be.
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Post by ace on Feb 13, 2020 0:08:18 GMT
I will be going for my first time. Playing on a casual team. The following is my pair. I don’t get as many games in as I would like but have gotten about 7 or 8 in with each.
Khador [Theme] Armored Korps
[Vladimir 1] Vladimir Tzepesci, the Dark Prince [+28] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] - Marauder [11] Man-O-War Kovnik [4] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [5] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [0(6)] Thamarite Archon [8] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] Man-O-War Bombardiers (max) [16] - Man-O-War Bombardier Officer [5] Man-O-War Assault Chariot [14] Man-O-War Siege Chariot [15]
Khador [Theme] Flame in the Darkness
[Zerkova 1] Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Gallant [17] - Lancer [10] Alexia, The Undying [0(5)] Grand Master Gabriel Throne [7] Morrowan Archon [8] Morrowan Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)]
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Feb 13, 2020 2:51:42 GMT
auraco , I really like both of your lists, and thank you for sharing. Regarding WotoF, I probably can only offer sideways adjustments or questions to consider, but not objectively “your list would be better with this tech” statements. For your third free model, have you tried double vassals over Yuri? I like them for the additional solos and free focus for the Judy, but the random magic attacks are also nice. I understand why people are bringing Initiates, but do wonder how much they’re actually doing the job you brought them to do. The Hermit and Vilmont offer Vlad a lot of protection already, and the initiates aren’t exactly keeping up with your cav. If you dumped them and one Mechanic you could fit in another cavalry solo, or a light jack to scurry off and score a second square zone. In a team tournament you might be looking to a teammate to take on dedicated gunlines anyway. Regarding the Vlad 2 list, it looks tight. Honestly if you dropped the Void Archon I’d personally prefer Alexia over Fenris, but I wouldn’t change a damn thing.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Feb 13, 2020 10:03:07 GMT
Still feels slightly weird to see lists whwre the caster is pretty much the only Khador model.
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Post by auraco on Feb 13, 2020 13:28:32 GMT
ace I like your lists, I haven't actually tried a Vlad1 gunline in armored corps, but it sounds like it could be good, I also like the double legion of lost souls Flame list, lots of bodies and recursion on the table and with Alexia3 and Throne in the list hitting power isn't an issue. @armchair Warrior I haven't tried with double vassal over yuri, I did try a version of the list with a vassal instead of the two mechanics and the wrack, it was fine, but so far I really haven't had any problem fuelling the judicator when needed with Vlad, he's not that focus starved, especially with the wrack. I could try it with the vassals, so far yuri hasn't been all that impressive, he's mostly there to be the Female Dog that dies to trigger a vengeance on the archons, a running vassal could do the same job. Think I'll try that to this weekend event where we practice our OTC lists. As for the initiates, they are really great, and they really don't have an issue keeping up with the rest of the list, spd 6/7 with dash means that if they do a full run they will still be able to shield guard shots meant for vengers who did their max run. The only thing that can outpace them is the flame bringers if they do a full run, but that's not really necessary because even with less than a full run they can cover all the releveant scenario zone. Even against list with only moderate amount of shooting they are worth the 7 points you pay for them, it turns the list into a fairly good gunline drop, so even if it's a team event it means I can go into some match ups that other might not want to play. Having one more cavalry solo would help against melee army, but Vlad2 Wolves is already one of the best list in the game to play against dedicated melee armies, so having a second list that can actually play into guns is good for me. @soul Samurai How dare you call Yuri anything other than a true patriot?!? Sad thing about Wotof is that the menite models more often than not are simply better than the khadoran option. A point can be made for the outriders who are pretty much as good as the flame brigners, but I don't want to run into the trouble of having them in both of my list if I run into something that counters them.
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Post by ace on Feb 16, 2020 1:09:14 GMT
Auraco,
I have enjoyed both of my lists. The armoured corps list started with butcher1 and double bombardiers. Changed it to Vlad after getting frustrated about inaccuracy. I believe it is much better with Vlad. Dropped a unit of bombardiers partly as a clock issue, also because I don’t miss them. I recently debated between the Thamarite archon and a berserker. Didn’t get any games in with a berserker and didn’t have it build or painted so I went with the archon. I am happy with the utility it brings. Makes the list more flexible, berserker simply gives vlad’s feat a bit more use.
I am liking the Flames list. Was toying with ragman and/or hermit to turn up the damage even more. This would have required a drop in priests. I found I missed the priests when I dropped the list down to 3. And the idea of dropping an archon for those solos just didn’t make sense to me given the power of the archons. My main issue with this list balancing between protecting the units and posturing for a decent damage turn, and making a push for scenario.
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Post by lorddragonmaster on Feb 20, 2020 21:43:41 GMT
Apparently I am going as a fill in player/team.
If I get paired up with you, I am sorry...
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Post by ace on Feb 21, 2020 1:38:40 GMT
Apparently I am going as a fill in player/team. If I get paired up with you, I am sorry... I heard a team dropped and they are putting a extra team together. Is that your team? Or are you joining a team as a 4th?
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Post by auraco on Feb 21, 2020 4:00:07 GMT
Apparently I am going as a fill in player/team. If I get paired up with you, I am sorry... Wait, what? Why? I'm confused...
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Post by lorddragonmaster on Feb 21, 2020 13:35:51 GMT
Apparently I am going as a fill in player/team. If I get paired up with you, I am sorry... I heard a team dropped and they are putting a extra team together. Is that your team? Or are you joining a team as a 4th? I am team replacements! (As I was last year as well). That way if a team drops out people don't have to sit around and can actually play a training dummy. ;D
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Post by sorokin on Feb 21, 2020 16:21:25 GMT
Still feels slightly weird to see lists whwre the caster is pretty much the only Khador model. Look at it this way: We seized the models of other factions for redistribution for the glory of the motherland!
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Post by auraco on Feb 21, 2020 16:37:40 GMT
Lists are out: conflictchamber.com/?event=1168Khador is pretty popular and has a very good spread of casters and theme forces. I'm also glad to see people taking Vlad2 in wolves and not in armored corps sand20go It's going to be an interesting one for sure.
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Post by lorddragonmaster on Feb 21, 2020 17:17:20 GMT
What is a better pairing with WoToF? JAWS (Karchev) or AC (Sorcha3)
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Feb 22, 2020 17:09:25 GMT
What is a better pairing with WoToF? JAWS (Karchev) or AC (Sorcha3) Either would work fine.
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