gupp
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Post by gupp on Jan 23, 2020 3:24:53 GMT
If Toruk is too big to play, is there anything else on immoren approaching their size, besides other dragons?
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Post by Charistoph on Jan 23, 2020 3:34:37 GMT
Outside the dragons, I think the trains would qualify? Sycrah and Nyssor, maybe, I can't remember if the elven gods' sizes were mentioned much, but it did take a train to haul frozen Nyssor around. A few Troll Kings might qualify, but they're probably asleep otherwise they'd be literally eating everything. The original Colossals were said to be absolutely massive, bigger than the current generation of Colossals are.
But I don't think anything on Caen actually matches the dragons in scope. If the Wurm came fully out to play, Toruk would be considered smaller, but no guarantee on that.
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Post by borderprince on Jan 23, 2020 6:43:54 GMT
Possibly something underwater? Various Cryxian models might have names related to known/mythological creatures on Caen, such as the Kraken or Kharybdis. And because they're underwater, noone's sure they exist - sailing on Caen is difficult and dangerous enough that missing ships could go missing for all kind of reasons.
Also might be problematic to feed something that large. Dragons don't seem to need to eat. But other large creatures might need to do so, and doing that over the long-term might be unsustainable (as with Charistoph's point about the larger Troll Kings).
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Post by tiberius on Jan 23, 2020 11:08:16 GMT
Outside the dragons, I think the trains would qualify? Sycrah and Nyssor, maybe, I can't remember if the elven gods' sizes were mentioned much, but it did take a train to haul frozen Nyssor around. A few Troll Kings might qualify, but they're probably asleep otherwise they'd be literally eating everything. The original Colossals were said to be absolutely massive, bigger than the current generation of Colossals are. But I don't think anything on Caen actually matches the dragons in scope. If the Wurm came fully out to play, Toruk would be considered smaller, but no guarantee on that. Dragons are probably the largest thing. To comment on the comment about Nyssor, his sword was wielded by Goreshade, so he couldn't have been that big.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jan 23, 2020 12:13:15 GMT
Outside the dragons, I think the trains would qualify? Sycrah and Nyssor, maybe, I can't remember if the elven gods' sizes were mentioned much, but it did take a train to haul frozen Nyssor around. A few Troll Kings might qualify, but they're probably asleep otherwise they'd be literally eating everything. The original Colossals were said to be absolutely massive, bigger than the current generation of Colossals are. But I don't think anything on Caen actually matches the dragons in scope. If the Wurm came fully out to play, Toruk would be considered smaller, but no guarantee on that. Dragons are probably the largest thing. To comment on the comment about Nyssor, his sword was wielded by Goreshade, so he couldn't have been that big. Maybe it was actually Nyssor's toothpick and Goreshade just called it his "sword" to hide the embarrassment.
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Post by michael on Jan 23, 2020 14:26:18 GMT
The elven gods are basically elf-sized, maybe just like 8-10 feet tall or so. Source: Seacat in one of his posts somewhere. Nyssor had to be hauled by train because a) trains are fast, and b) he’s encased in a block of magic ice that permanently radiates cold.
Even the smallest of the dragons would basically be the size a 6’ x 4’ table if scaled to WM/H sizes. They’re very, very large.
The giants of Bemoth would all be colossal-sized on their own.
The Gorgandur is of unspecified size beyond “pretty darn big”, as in “ate a whole village in one bite”.
The original colossals are truly massive, like the height of 4 modern colossals stacked on top of one another. They were...uh...either 100 or 200 feet tall. I forget which. It’s been a long time since I read about them.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jan 23, 2020 15:15:28 GMT
The elven gods are basically elf-sized, maybe just like 8-10 feet tall or so. Source: Seacat in one of his posts somewhere. Myself had to be hauled by train because a) trains are fast, and b) he’s encased in a block of magic ice that permanently radiates cold. Even the smallest of the dragons would basically be the size a 6’ x 4’ table if scaled to WM/H sizes. They’re very, very large. The giants of Bemoth would all be colossal-sized on their own. The Gorgandur is of unspecified size beyond “pretty darn big”, as in “ate a whole village in one bite”. The original colossals are truly massive, like the height of 4 modern colossals stacked on top of one another. They were...uh...either 100 or 200 feet tall. I forget which. It’s been a long time since I read about them. That makes me wonder, how big is Menoth? He's supposed to be big enough to fight the Wurm, right? Dhunia is probably Caenn sized, given she's basically mother nature. I wonder if the twins got taller after they attained apotheosis.
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Post by tiberius on Jan 23, 2020 15:58:39 GMT
I mean if you have the power of a god, you can basically be as big (or as small) as you want right?
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jan 23, 2020 16:10:02 GMT
I mean if you have the power of a god, you can basically be as big (or as small) as you want right? Given the origins of the Iron Kingdoms IRL there does seem to be a lack of size changing magic out there. Maybe it's harder to do than in other D&D based fantasy worlds. I would certainly think a god could change their size at will, but I don't know if there is any mention of that happening in the lore.
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Post by michael on Jan 23, 2020 17:11:27 GMT
Menoth supposedly chased the Devourer Wurm across Caen and was taking steps over entire mountain ranges, so there’s that. Probably the answer is “as big as he feels like expending power to be.”
Magic in the IK is basically all combat-oriented because, essentially, that has been the way it has always been used. We also now know the true origins of The Gift (go read Oblivion, it is a return to form for PP), so that could have something to do with it.
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gupp
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Post by gupp on Jan 23, 2020 20:40:25 GMT
Gods might not be physically too big for warmachine, but their powers would be. I suspect you’d have to play a 2,000 point game to match them.
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Jan 23, 2020 21:11:02 GMT
i liek teh large entitties
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Post by greytemplar on Jan 24, 2020 6:22:50 GMT
I mean if you have the power of a god, you can basically be as big (or as small) as you want right? Pretty much. Gods are usually sized according to the context they're appearing in.
Menoth has always been described as being a giant, but his scale varies. He was a towering being during the days he hunted the Wyrm across Caen, striding over mountains, etc... But later on when he gave the True Law to mankind he was probably a little smaller just for simplicity sake. Hard to have a conversation with your children if you're the size of a continent.
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Post by mydnight on Jan 24, 2020 6:59:16 GMT
I mean if you have the power of a god, you can basically be as big (or as small) as you want right?
Menoth has always been described as being a giant, but his scale varies. He was a towering being during the days he hunted the Wyrm across Caen, striding over mountains, etc... But later on when he gave the True Law to mankind he was probably a little smaller just for simplicity sake. Hard to have a conversation with your children if you're the size of a continent.
Imagine the size of those pauldrons
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jan 24, 2020 7:26:57 GMT
That makes me wonder, how big is Menoth? He's supposed to be big enough to fight the Wurm, right? According to the legends, Menoth cut his feet on the mountains chasing the Wurm and his blood became humans.
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