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Post by auraco on Jan 22, 2020 14:57:05 GMT
I find it hard to fit in all the solos I want in the list, what are people's first reflex when cutting on the support, I find that more often than not I end up cutting a morrowan archon first. Alexia2 just adds too much scenario presence to cut, gabriel throne is a key support piece and the thamarite archon are the closest thing to a caster attachement but also want to do some work, hence the redundancy on them, that leaves the morrowan archon to be cut, well that's my reasoning behind that choice.
What would you guys cut first to include the units you want to include in the list.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Jan 22, 2020 16:09:26 GMT
I had something like this in mind
The idea is pretty simple: very high DEF and annoying models, with a lot of Dodge/Riposte shenanigans. Only one unit though, the Jakes+Gallant combo is pretty expensive. But man, DEF 15 Gallant, +2 from the Morrowan Archon, and +2 from Zerkova's clouds, that looks like a pain to deal with.
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Post by habaguero on Jan 22, 2020 20:37:46 GMT
My original Zerkova1 lists were pretty comparable to those above. I was going to try a slightly different BG with a Buccaneer and/or Avenger this week. Watcher seems like a really cool spell and I like the idea of being able to enforce the zone around Zerkova with a ranged knockdown weapon.
Talon or Grolar might be okay Watchers too with their melee attacks.
Edit: Grolar is combat action only for the KD, so not Grolar
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Post by Havock on Jan 22, 2020 23:25:52 GMT
Having played her (a lot); specifically finding a watcher thing is a trap: the spell is nice but ideally you never get to use it. If you have other choices that play better with her army; take those.
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Post by ace on Jan 23, 2020 3:44:42 GMT
I have played 2 games with this list and 2 with the hermit in exchange for 3 priests.
Khador [Theme] Flame in the Darkness
[Zerkova 1] Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Gallant [17] - Lancer [10] Alexia, The Undying [0(5)] Grand Master Gabriel Throne [7] Morrowan Archon [8] Morrowan Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)]
So far I am enjoying this list but haven’t fully figured out how to pilot it. I am not used to single wound infantry so I am finding them very squishy. But with zerkova’s clouds and feat they can be effectively delivered. The list is very accurate, hits hard enough for most opponents (unless you are trying to crack feat buffed armor). I really like the 6 priests for triggering vengeance on the units while protecting the key solos. And have tried the list with 3 priests and you could make it work but I like the version with 6 a lot better. Sadly I usually play against construct heavy armies so the blood bound doesn’t come into play as often as I would like.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jan 23, 2020 3:50:21 GMT
Hmmm, speaking of Watcher, the Drag on the Swabber's harpoon is not combat action only, so I guess you can potentially drag an attacker away from Zerkova?
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Post by cplmustard on Jan 23, 2020 21:55:17 GMT
Cute watcher tech (correct me if I'm reading this wrong): but toros get to countercharge and watcher off the same movement
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Post by sand20go on Jan 23, 2020 22:03:27 GMT
Cute watcher tech (correct me if I'm reading this wrong): but toros get to countercharge and watcher off the same movement Yes they do. Both boosted. Should be a solid deterrent
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Post by sand20go on Jan 23, 2020 22:12:26 GMT
Cute watcher tech (correct me if I'm reading this wrong): but toros get to countercharge and watcher off the same movement But note countercharge needs to trigger first. Otherwise you will be engaged and no countercharge.
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Post by Havock on Jan 23, 2020 22:32:57 GMT
Depends on the reach and/or facing of your target.
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Post by sand20go on Jan 23, 2020 23:15:40 GMT
Depends on the reach and/or facing of your target. That is absolutely true and with a 2 inch reach you could have instances where the Toro is OK.
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Post by auraco on Jan 23, 2020 23:51:11 GMT
The opponent really has to spoonfeed this one to you with walking and ending within 6'' of both the toros and Zerkova1 and not engaging the Toros. So yeah it's possible, but any halfway decent player won't trigger the countercharge even if they don't have the choice to trigger watcher. That doesn't mean I wouldn't field toros in flames, the toros in one heck of a good jack. Too bad they are back order pretty and it's next to impossible to find one.
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Post by Havock on Jan 24, 2020 2:29:26 GMT
It's a perfectly servicable juggernaut substitute.
It beats things and has countercharge, even if it can be easily countered it still creates a zone of "possibly no" to your opponent.
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Post by auraco on Jan 24, 2020 13:48:04 GMT
What I like about it is the 10'' natural threat range when our casters who can run the theme don't have a spd buff, 8'' threat range is really miserable.
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Post by harrysan on Jan 24, 2020 19:38:05 GMT
With the new model rules out, how does it change the list building?
I came up with this so far, which I don't hate. Had to drop Ragman but I don't hate it.
War Room Army
Khador - Zerkova1 Icy Flames
Theme: Flame in the Darkness 75 / 75 Army 0 / 40 Specialist
Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova - WJ: +28 - Gallant - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Lancer - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Morrowan Archon - PC: 8 Morrowan Archon - PC: 8 Thamarite Archon - PC: 8 Thamarite Archon - PC: 8 Grand Master Gabriel Throne - PC: 7 Savio Montero Acosta - PC: 0 Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire - PC: 7 - Thrall Warrior
Precursor Knights - Leader & 9 Grunts: 14 - Precursor Knight Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 Order of Illumination Resolutes - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 2
THEME: Flame in the Darkness ---
GENERATED : 01/24/2020 14:32:49 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
Resolutes with Awe, cloud, and set defense are going to be pretty resistant to charges with BPs to take shots and provide Vengeance and if they make it into combat even better.
Just for fun, I put together a Z1 Morrow force to pair with a Z2 (lolwut) Thamarite force. The Z1 list I think has some legs to it, the Z2 list is basically all in assassination, all the time since there are a limited number of Thamarite models.
War Room Army
Khador - Zerkova1 Morrow in the Darkness
Theme: Flame in the Darkness 75 / 75 Army 0 / 40 Specialist
Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova - WJ: +28 - Gallant - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Lancer - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Morrowan Archon - PC: 8 Morrowan Archon - PC: 8 Grand Master Gabriel Throne - PC: 7 Alexia, The Undying - PC: 0 - Thrall Warrior
Order of Illumination Resolutes - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 Order of Illumination Resolutes - Leader & 4 Grunts: 13 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 Legion of Lost Souls - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 0 Order of Illumination Vigilants - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6 - Morrowan Battle Priest - PC: 2
THEME: Flame in the Darkness ---
GENERATED : 01/24/2020 14:36:45 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
War Room Army
Khador - Zerkova2 Thanks Obavnik
Theme: Flame in the Darkness 75 / 75 Army 0 / 40 Specialist
Obavnik Kommander Zerkova & Reaver Guard - WJ: +24 - Blockader - PC: 33 (Battlegroup Points Used: 24) - Stormwall - PC: 36 - Lightning Pod
Thamarite Archon - PC: 8 Thamarite Archon - PC: 8 Alexia, Mistress of the Witchfire - PC: 7 - Thrall Warrior Thamarite Advocate - PC: 0 Thamarite Advocate - PC: 0 Thamarite Advocate - PC: 3 Savio Montero Acosta - PC: 0 Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 0 Ragman - PC: 4
Obavnik Kommander Zerkova & Reaver Guard (Cont.) - PC: 0
THEME: Flame in the Darkness ---
GENERATED : 01/24/2020 14:37:07 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
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