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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 19:56:28 GMT
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Post by gobber on Feb 5, 2020 19:56:28 GMT
She’s still rat6.
Rapport seems way more interesting on her than it does on other casters since she can stack EOD and/or primed on herself and have the beast benefit. Mat 11-13 battle boars (without primal which leaves elasticity as an option) pacmanning through enemy infantry is at least an intriguing new tool in the belt
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 20:05:11 GMT
Post by charlzheimer on Feb 5, 2020 20:05:11 GMT
huh...they listened to my random tweet.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 20:43:41 GMT
Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 20:43:41 GMT
Mat 11, Primed only adds to melee attack rolls, not to Mat. But yeah, Rapport on a Battle Boar was my first thought.
It's not the direction I think I would have taken her in. I don't like that she has even more upkeep spells and nothing for the Soul Slave to actually cast. But I appreciate the personal increase in output if nothing else. I might be able to get away with ditching the Hermit module, which expands potential list design a lot.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 20:53:48 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Feb 5, 2020 20:53:48 GMT
Hermit I think still makes the cut but the full deliver package isn’t needed yeah.
I think a rapported primaled BB can kill an archon, or it can get close with an arm debuff out as well, so like she might have a good spot into stuff like flames where BB can get going through shield wall stuff
Helga 2 WB: +28 - Gatorman Soul Slave - PC: 0 - Road Hog - PC: 15 - Battle Boar - PC: 7 - Battle Boar - PC: 7 - Battle Boar - PC: 7 - War Hog - PC: 14 Meat Thresher - PC: 16 Void Archon - PC: 8 Void Archon - PC: 8 Scythe - PC: 0 Boomhowler, Solo Artist - PC: 0 Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 5 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8
THEME: Will Work For Food ---
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 21:42:44 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 21:42:44 GMT
I don't see any reason to bring a Meat Thresher with her sadly. My initial thinking is something simple like this:
Minions [Theme] Will Work For Food
[Helga 2] Helga On Wheels [+28] - Battle Boar [7] - Road Hog [15] - Road Hog [15] - War Hog [14] - War Hog [14] - Gatorman Soul Slave [0(5)] Bone Shrine [2] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter [0(6)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Farrow Valkyries [8] Farrow Valkyries [8]
Fury support, threat range increase, enough meat to get work done. Hutchuck was mostly because I don't rate the Hermit without some way of making him faster, but I'm considering alternative solos like the Dhunian Archon, Flugwug (reasonable Primed target), Scythe, or Kwaak and Gub. Maybe even a Thrullg... They do have Stealth around Helga at least.
Also not sure about double Road Hog. They are there more for the threat ranges than anything, but I am wondering if I might be better off trading one for something with a bit more punch. Maybe just another War Hog, but there are a few more options.
If nothing else, I at least expect Helga in this form to be one of the main beneficiaries of the Troll theme when it releases.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 21:55:01 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 21:55:01 GMT
By the way guys, we are all aware that Primal doesn't work with Rapport (Mat wise), right? There was a Rules forum query about it not long ago. You either use the Warlock's Mat or modify the Warbeast's Mat. And Primed doesn't add to Helga's Mat. So the options are going to do be either 7/11 (if Helga uses EOD) or Warbeast Mat+2. You can't buff the Rapport beast beyond 11.
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 22:04:07 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Feb 5, 2020 22:04:07 GMT
Someone needs to tell hungerford that since the mat 13 thing came from him saying it on the hangout
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 22:15:11 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 22:15:11 GMT
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Helga2
Feb 5, 2020 22:37:45 GMT
Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 22:37:45 GMT
Thinking about it a little bit, a Troll Axer and a Krielstone would cover every problem I can see with her as it stands. Ups the threat ranges of her list to the point where she should almost always have the alpha, makes her army resilient into shooting (particularly if Valkyries or Warders or something are reasonably available in the theme) and annoying to counter punch, gives her some additional personal damage, and so on. She might lose some of her Fury efficiency from WWFF in return, which would be a bummer, but the army-wide benefits would more than outweigh them. I could see that cementing her very firmly into competitive pairings.
Fingers crossed for December I guess.
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Helga2
Feb 6, 2020 1:59:41 GMT
Post by Dirhavel on Feb 6, 2020 1:59:41 GMT
Thinking about it a little bit, a Troll Axer and a Krielstone would cover every problem I can see with her as it stands. Ups the threat ranges of her list to the point where she should almost always have the alpha, makes her army resilient into shooting (particularly if Valkyries or Warders or something are reasonably available in the theme) and annoying to counter punch, gives her some additional personal damage, and so on. She might lose some of her Fury efficiency from WWFF in return, which would be a bummer, but the army-wide benefits would more than outweigh them. I could see that cementing her very firmly into competitive pairings. Fingers crossed for December I guess. I can see that. Wouldn't be the first time a new model starts making sense only in the context of an unannounced realease...
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Helga2
Feb 6, 2020 3:46:15 GMT
Post by Azahul on Feb 6, 2020 3:46:15 GMT
I can see that. Wouldn't be the first time a new model starts making sense only in the context of an unannounced realease... The announcement of the cross-faction theme literally had me flashing back to Mark II and Bradigus's spoilers before his theme force was revealed. "That still doesn't seem that- ooooooh that's gonna be bruuuutal." I'm almost not sure she'll even be in the theme because just thinking about how reliably she could be able to take out half a list, back up, and then remove the other half kind of makes me wince. P+S 23 with a light troll Animus. Threatening 15" charges on the Road Hogs. A Krielstone so that her army doesn't feel like it's made of paper. Maybe even having a good Primed target beyond herself. It's... a lot. Oh hey, speaking of things we can actually take advantage now (but will be even better down the road when the Krielstone means she may not even really take damage from this), if you want to send her in with Primed but don't want to be 14/15 at the end of the turn then the Dhunian Archon can bop Primed off of her. With that in mind I think I swap out Hutchuck to make the list as follows: [Helga 2] Helga On Wheels [+28] - Battle Boar [7] - Road Hog [15] - Road Hog [15] - War Hog [14] - War Hog [14] - Gatorman Soul Slave [0(5)] Bone Shrine [2] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Void Archon [8] Void Archon [8] Farrow Valkyries [8] Farrow Valkyries [8]
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Helga2
Feb 6, 2020 10:15:28 GMT
Post by Dirhavel on Feb 6, 2020 10:15:28 GMT
I'm not ready to say it would be too much. Most of what you're describing comes from relatively expensive support pieces, meaning you wouldn't get as many worker models in that list. This may not be so bad if Helga can now take out a heavy each turn, but with Primed on herself she doesn't support her beasts with Escort and is more vulnerable to caster kill. Then again, maybe not all those models will be available in the theme so this is all very hypothetical at this point. Good point about the dhunian archon though. They're also very good with valkyries in general, and add some potential fury management after the hit and run. Looking forward to reading your next batreps
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Helga2
Feb 6, 2020 12:20:53 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Feb 6, 2020 12:20:53 GMT
I'm not too fussed about having a bunch of support. A Slag Troll is probably better than a Pyre Troll since it'll be a work piece in like 60% of games to be fair, but even a Krielstone will do work when you slap Primed on them. It kind of makes up for having a Warlock without much support.
But as you say, all speculation for a theme that may not include any of those models, let alone Helga herself. Best to focus on the games at hand. And I can assure you that there will be plenty of Helga games on the horizon. My big competitive events are done for at least a few months so I basically intend to mono list Helga for a bit.
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Helga2
Feb 7, 2020 6:10:46 GMT
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Post by shortcutbacon on Feb 7, 2020 6:10:46 GMT
Aside from the Hunger's mention of Arkadius, how positive are we that this theme is a minions theme and not just a Trollblood theme?
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Post by gobber on Feb 7, 2020 6:12:03 GMT
Aside from the Hunger's mention of Arkadius, how positive are we that this theme is a minions theme and not just a Trollblood theme?
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